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<blockquote data-quote="fordy" data-source="post: 2946326" data-attributes="member: 120504"><p>Gday</p><p>I'll try & break this down the best I can</p><p>So apologies in advance on how I relay this information & length </p><p>& I'm going to ramble no doubt </p><p></p><p>Nrailer please understand this .& please don't take the defensive position as your pills still have room for improvement that's a factual statement based on a few things to follow but also one that is solely upto you if you take on board or dismiss </p><p>Maybe my background may help & where I am today after my years of doing what I do </p><p></p><p>So </p><p></p><p>I was a frangible junkie who never looked @ the wood in the trees once </p><p>Yes I was blinded by the wow factor of what those pills can & do do </p><p>Now they still have there place I believe but it's not where a lot of people will get the benefits over a better mono yes a better mono to the majority of people makes sense</p><p>& I emphasise a better mono as you need to break down & exactly the same as the frangible see where they are showing less than ideal results or weaknesses BEFORE!!!!!!! You can get to the better pills otherwise you will only get the consistency that you can achieve today ( which is fine for some ) & no better pills for tomorrow that's Terminally speaking & I'll leave bc alone but also part of it & today's world but if you believe you have no where left to improve I think our days are numbered but I think surely you can't think that from your previous comments in other threads <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🤷♂️" title="Man shrugging :man_shrugging:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f937-2642.png" data-shortname=":man_shrugging:" /><img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🤞" title="Crossed fingers :fingers_crossed:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f91e.png" data-shortname=":fingers_crossed:" /></p><p></p><p>Once again terminal speaking </p><p></p><p>I'll put this straight up off the bat your gen 1 we're nothing spectacular & why I have asked for the improvements you've made in your gen 2 as I have limited time left on my life bullet testing & I basically won't waste my time yet I've got a few people asking for me to test badland pills which for a couple of the guys that have asked I am so close to organising them to come across to Aussie & asking for some idea of where you've improved , I respect these guys so much & also why I'm continuing with the information gathering on badlands before I commit </p><p></p><p> [USER=71221]@Mike D Texas[/USER] , [USER=4191]@Pdvdh[/USER] no we don't have availability of a lot of your component's but through my network of friends I can obtain them once I get my import permits organised for which I have & it's partly why no company basically knows how I can source their projectiles ( it's all legal ) , apex was a classic as he didn't have a clue & none of that information would have come out unless the issue I saw come up & I can't stand back & let someone put their self in that position when I know what potentially will happen on a more than just a one off basis, so I spoke up on here & man I copped a earful for that but to marks credit he adjusted & now confidence that the issue was not going to come up as he adjusted accordingly so a win win in my eyes </p><p>I've done the same with hammers also other bullet companies </p><p></p><p>I'm no guru but for those that know/ understand what I do find out the data can be valuable for that person/s I gather the information for & if it does come out that company can to take it on board & is upto them some do some don't some also don't know </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>nrailer I'm still worried as you are not instilling confidence in how your pills are any different to gen 1 yes I get the 200 less opening & your bc but think back on how long I've quizzed you & on what these were ( theirs a hint there even if you don't engage again for future improvements ) but I really don't get where you think I'm a frangible person as those days are long gone for me & only trying to improve the mono world of things today but maybe this i stated I'm intrigued by the ATip but I doubt I'll ever use it ( I did get some great data from a gentleman on the ATip who saw my intriguing comment on another thread & im very appreciative of that but in no way am I a frangible person as I'm what works best for that scenario & for me these days a frangible is not but surely nothing wrong with being intrigued as my learning from those guys on the new stuff is what I like to do <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🤷♂️" title="Man shrugging :man_shrugging:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f937-2642.png" data-shortname=":man_shrugging:" /> surely that didn't label me <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🤷♂️" title="Man shrugging :man_shrugging:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f937-2642.png" data-shortname=":man_shrugging:" />as I'm over those ) </p><p></p><p>my track record is pretty good from a position of finding weaknesses imo of course </p><p>Sometimes people letme know how important those findings are/were . </p><p></p><p>I don't get what I'm asking on/ for with badlands so I take another angle/path as I've demonstrated here but my writing skills are obviously letting me down </p><p></p><p>mike d yes the transition zone is so important on where the issues will start to show & then combine the other traits of any brand & watch the issues become reality , </p><p>Yes I will show this as [USER=12469]@RH300UM[/USER] has seen with documentation yes photographic proof also as it's the only way imo if I test of course as I can't show what I don't test </p><p></p><p>Now if a company puts its head in the sand I will not engage yet the only reason I'm persistent with badlands is I know no other mushroom mono bullet companies in the USA on lrh ( yes I can go & join another group or other forums but man I've had enough crap from some here ( not you guys in this thread I take no offence to these comments as I see those as trying to help <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="👍" title="Thumbs up :thumbsup:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f44d.png" data-shortname=":thumbsup:" /> ) so why start that process again as my time is limited & why I won't join other forums let alone look ( I have looked when links are forwarded to me but I won't search) as I invest all I can with what I do now just take this last few days on this thread I'll just say I'm sleep deprived </p><p></p><p>There is a whole in the mushroom mono performance world that can be fixed & I know this for a fact as one of our Aussie companies has proven that it can be done ( not my work that showed this ) yes I've tested those & seen it is possible </p><p></p><p>So I'm trying to get those who want the mushroom mono pills to get even better results as I highly doubt this Aussie company will grace your shores & it's bc isn't as high but terminally superior no doubting that so yes it can be done terminally </p><p></p><p>Now if this above is one that offends just let me know as it's not my intention & I'll leave this topic but I will not stand back when I know with a very high certainty that a problem exists & I see a issue as history will repeat & when it does or I'm asked I will speak up so that person understands those issues & if the company won't address the person can with shot placement to some point </p><p></p><p></p><p>So before I get into the depths of why certain things happen I need to know what I'm spending time on @ present is not be in vain as when I show what will happen I want reassurance that it won't be flogged off as a example it's already been acknowledged as in your words nrailer or close to them </p><p>"Straight line penertration unless bone is encountered " so I commend you on stating that </p><p>That sir is 100% true for your bullets not all the time but it is a issue that does present from time to time & for most guys on deer not a big issue as penertration length of that won't be a concern on broadside now move to angles & bigger critters & like others have posted bad stuff occurs now move to RH300UM & that is one I'm very concerned with as that is potentially life threatening & I've already proven to him previously how he needed to be careful on what he chose & from what I've also found out since then he needs to shift pills once again as way better options now </p><p>( sorry rh that should've been pm or another thread & will chat about that asap ) </p><p>The reason I bring those up is depending on circumstances I'll either stay quiet or speak up but I will also call BS & back that up with factual information </p><p></p><p>Sorry if that comes across as abrasive once again not my intention & probably won't be back on lrh for a bit for personal reasons but I'll get back when I can </p><p></p><p>Sorry for that jumble above & length </p><p></p><p>Nrailer please Just be up front with me do you want me to leave this thread or discuss further so we don't waste ea others time </p><p>Cheers</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="fordy, post: 2946326, member: 120504"] Gday I'll try & break this down the best I can So apologies in advance on how I relay this information & length & I’m going to ramble no doubt Nrailer please understand this .& please don’t take the defensive position as your pills still have room for improvement that’s a factual statement based on a few things to follow but also one that is solely upto you if you take on board or dismiss Maybe my background may help & where I am today after my years of doing what I do So I was a frangible junkie who never looked @ the wood in the trees once Yes I was blinded by the wow factor of what those pills can & do do Now they still have there place I believe but it's not where a lot of people will get the benefits over a better mono yes a better mono to the majority of people makes sense & I emphasise a better mono as you need to break down & exactly the same as the frangible see where they are showing less than ideal results or weaknesses BEFORE!!!!!!! You can get to the better pills otherwise you will only get the consistency that you can achieve today ( which is fine for some ) & no better pills for tomorrow that’s Terminally speaking & I’ll leave bc alone but also part of it & today’s world but if you believe you have no where left to improve I think our days are numbered but I think surely you can’t think that from your previous comments in other threads 🤷♂️🤞 Once again terminal speaking I'll put this straight up off the bat your gen 1 we're nothing spectacular & why I have asked for the improvements you've made in your gen 2 as I have limited time left on my life bullet testing & I basically won't waste my time yet I've got a few people asking for me to test badland pills which for a couple of the guys that have asked I am so close to organising them to come across to Aussie & asking for some idea of where you’ve improved , I respect these guys so much & also why I’m continuing with the information gathering on badlands before I commit [USER=71221]@Mike D Texas[/USER] , [USER=4191]@Pdvdh[/USER] no we don't have availability of a lot of your component's but through my network of friends I can obtain them once I get my import permits organised for which I have & it's partly why no company basically knows how I can source their projectiles ( it’s all legal ) , apex was a classic as he didn't have a clue & none of that information would have come out unless the issue I saw come up & I can't stand back & let someone put their self in that position when I know what potentially will happen on a more than just a one off basis, so I spoke up on here & man I copped a earful for that but to marks credit he adjusted & now confidence that the issue was not going to come up as he adjusted accordingly so a win win in my eyes I've done the same with hammers also other bullet companies I’m no guru but for those that know/ understand what I do find out the data can be valuable for that person/s I gather the information for & if it does come out that company can to take it on board & is upto them some do some don’t some also don’t know nrailer I’m still worried as you are not instilling confidence in how your pills are any different to gen 1 yes I get the 200 less opening & your bc but think back on how long I’ve quizzed you & on what these were ( theirs a hint there even if you don’t engage again for future improvements ) but I really don’t get where you think I’m a frangible person as those days are long gone for me & only trying to improve the mono world of things today but maybe this i stated I’m intrigued by the ATip but I doubt I’ll ever use it ( I did get some great data from a gentleman on the ATip who saw my intriguing comment on another thread & im very appreciative of that but in no way am I a frangible person as I’m what works best for that scenario & for me these days a frangible is not but surely nothing wrong with being intrigued as my learning from those guys on the new stuff is what I like to do 🤷♂️ surely that didn’t label me 🤷♂️as I’m over those ) my track record is pretty good from a position of finding weaknesses imo of course Sometimes people letme know how important those findings are/were . I don’t get what I’m asking on/ for with badlands so I take another angle/path as I’ve demonstrated here but my writing skills are obviously letting me down mike d yes the transition zone is so important on where the issues will start to show & then combine the other traits of any brand & watch the issues become reality , Yes I will show this as [USER=12469]@RH300UM[/USER] has seen with documentation yes photographic proof also as it’s the only way imo if I test of course as I can’t show what I don’t test Now if a company puts its head in the sand I will not engage yet the only reason I’m persistent with badlands is I know no other mushroom mono bullet companies in the USA on lrh ( yes I can go & join another group or other forums but man I’ve had enough crap from some here ( not you guys in this thread I take no offence to these comments as I see those as trying to help 👍 ) so why start that process again as my time is limited & why I won’t join other forums let alone look ( I have looked when links are forwarded to me but I won’t search) as I invest all I can with what I do now just take this last few days on this thread I’ll just say I’m sleep deprived There is a whole in the mushroom mono performance world that can be fixed & I know this for a fact as one of our Aussie companies has proven that it can be done ( not my work that showed this ) yes I’ve tested those & seen it is possible So I’m trying to get those who want the mushroom mono pills to get even better results as I highly doubt this Aussie company will grace your shores & it’s bc isn’t as high but terminally superior no doubting that so yes it can be done terminally Now if this above is one that offends just let me know as it’s not my intention & I’ll leave this topic but I will not stand back when I know with a very high certainty that a problem exists & I see a issue as history will repeat & when it does or I’m asked I will speak up so that person understands those issues & if the company won’t address the person can with shot placement to some point So before I get into the depths of why certain things happen I need to know what I’m spending time on @ present is not be in vain as when I show what will happen I want reassurance that it won’t be flogged off as a example it’s already been acknowledged as in your words nrailer or close to them “Straight line penertration unless bone is encountered “ so I commend you on stating that That sir is 100% true for your bullets not all the time but it is a issue that does present from time to time & for most guys on deer not a big issue as penertration length of that won’t be a concern on broadside now move to angles & bigger critters & like others have posted bad stuff occurs now move to RH300UM & that is one I’m very concerned with as that is potentially life threatening & I’ve already proven to him previously how he needed to be careful on what he chose & from what I’ve also found out since then he needs to shift pills once again as way better options now ( sorry rh that should’ve been pm or another thread & will chat about that asap ) The reason I bring those up is depending on circumstances I’ll either stay quiet or speak up but I will also call BS & back that up with factual information Sorry if that comes across as abrasive once again not my intention & probably won’t be back on lrh for a bit for personal reasons but I’ll get back when I can Sorry for that jumble above & length Nrailer please Just be up front with me do you want me to leave this thread or discuss further so we don’t waste ea others time Cheers [/QUOTE]
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