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AMP Annealer VS No annealing Vs Torch Head Annealer Vs 2nd/3rd Shot
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<blockquote data-quote="jdmecomber" data-source="post: 1416183" data-attributes="member: 94549"><p><strong>Lapua brass test complete:</strong></p><p> </p><p>Group one was Amp Annealed after every firing and Group 2 was Amp annealed after the second firing. </p><p></p><p>Group 1 and Group 2 started with ammo already loaded that was Amp annealed with 3x fired each. Headspace is .002, no neck turning, .004 neck tension, the brass was not cleaned at all during the entire test. The sizing was done with a neck sizing die only. Forester die, press and primer seating. The brass was trimmed every shot if it needed it or not, chamfer, deburred and primers were removed by a decapping die. </p><p></p><p>Group 1 Amp Annealed every shot</p><p></p><p>First Firing</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2891 AVG 2887</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2882 SD 5</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2885 ES 12</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2894</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2884</li> </ol><p>Second Firing</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2886 AVG 2892</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2896 SD 10</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2886 ES 24</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><strong>2908</strong></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2884</li> </ol><p>Third Firing</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2888 AVG 2890</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2989 SD 2</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2891 ES 7</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2895</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2889</li> </ol><p>Fourth Firing</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2899 AVG 2893</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2892 SD 5</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2885 ES 14</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2896</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2896</li> </ol><p></p><p>Group 2</p><p>First firing NO annealing, 2nd Firing NO annealing, 3rd firing AMP annealed, 4th No annealing</p><p></p><p>First firing No annealing</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2904 AVG 2892</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2892 SD 7</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2889 ES 22</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2882</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2893</li> </ol><p>Second firing No Annealing</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2893 AVG 2889</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2886 SD 6</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2879 ES 16</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2893</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2895</li> </ol><p>Third Firing AMP annealed</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2886 AVG 2890</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2889 SD 6</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2898 ES 14</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2896</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2884</li> </ol><p>Fourth Firing No Annealing</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2903 AVG 2885</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2882 SD 11</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2889 ES 29</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2879</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2874</li> </ol><p></p><p>This Lapua brass only lasted 7x fired. I am assuming it's because of the neck sizing die. I switched over to Full length sizing with bushings last month but already had the neck sizing die ready to go and since this brass wasn't neck turned. The neck die was the only one I had a bushing for to get close to .002 neck tension. If someone can comment on case life and neck sizing, I would like to hear some other data on it. Maybe Hornady isn't that bad <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Back to the test results:</strong></p><p><strong>Group 1</strong></p><p>Annealing after every shot is the winner again. I had one higher velocity shot at 2908 FPS</p><p></p><p>ES 12,24,7,14</p><p>SD 5,10,2,5</p><p></p><p><strong>Group 2</strong></p><p>ES 22,16,14,29</p><p>SD 7,6,6,11</p><p></p><p></p><p>What I will be doing is using an annealer after every shot. The turntable annealer I had did very well for the price. I think I paid 275$ for it. To pay 4x more for the AMP, that is for you to decide. I think for the money, the Annealeez could be the best bang for the buck for a hunter/steel challenge guy. I think if I was to compete with the benchrest/FClass crowd, I would want the amp. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>To give my targets a little plug, here is a discount code for 15% off RX18 </p><p><a href="https://www.boxtobenchprecision.com/store/100-yard-target" target="_blank">https://www.boxtobenchprecision.com/store/100-yard-target</a></p><p></p><p>We have 5 new targets coming out soon. I will do a new thread about that.</p><p></p><p>Happy Shooting</p><p>Joseph Mecomber</p><p>Box to Bench Precision, LLC</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jdmecomber, post: 1416183, member: 94549"] [B]Lapua brass test complete:[/B] Group one was Amp Annealed after every firing and Group 2 was Amp annealed after the second firing. Group 1 and Group 2 started with ammo already loaded that was Amp annealed with 3x fired each. Headspace is .002, no neck turning, .004 neck tension, the brass was not cleaned at all during the entire test. The sizing was done with a neck sizing die only. Forester die, press and primer seating. The brass was trimmed every shot if it needed it or not, chamfer, deburred and primers were removed by a decapping die. Group 1 Amp Annealed every shot First Firing [LIST=1] [*]2891 AVG 2887 [*]2882 SD 5 [*]2885 ES 12 [*]2894 [*]2884 [/LIST] Second Firing [LIST=1] [*]2886 AVG 2892 [*]2896 SD 10 [*]2886 ES 24 [*][B]2908[/B] [*]2884 [/LIST] Third Firing [LIST=1] [*]2888 AVG 2890 [*]2989 SD 2 [*]2891 ES 7 [*]2895 [*]2889 [/LIST] Fourth Firing [LIST=1] [*]2899 AVG 2893 [*]2892 SD 5 [*]2885 ES 14 [*]2896 [*]2896 [/LIST] Group 2 First firing NO annealing, 2nd Firing NO annealing, 3rd firing AMP annealed, 4th No annealing First firing No annealing [LIST=1] [*]2904 AVG 2892 [*]2892 SD 7 [*]2889 ES 22 [*]2882 [*]2893 [/LIST] Second firing No Annealing [LIST=1] [*]2893 AVG 2889 [*]2886 SD 6 [*]2879 ES 16 [*]2893 [*]2895 [/LIST] Third Firing AMP annealed [LIST=1] [*]2886 AVG 2890 [*]2889 SD 6 [*]2898 ES 14 [*]2896 [*]2884 [/LIST] Fourth Firing No Annealing [LIST=1] [*]2903 AVG 2885 [*]2882 SD 11 [*]2889 ES 29 [*]2879 [*]2874 [/LIST] This Lapua brass only lasted 7x fired. I am assuming it's because of the neck sizing die. I switched over to Full length sizing with bushings last month but already had the neck sizing die ready to go and since this brass wasn't neck turned. The neck die was the only one I had a bushing for to get close to .002 neck tension. If someone can comment on case life and neck sizing, I would like to hear some other data on it. Maybe Hornady isn't that bad :) [B]Back to the test results: Group 1[/B] Annealing after every shot is the winner again. I had one higher velocity shot at 2908 FPS ES 12,24,7,14 SD 5,10,2,5 [B]Group 2[/B] ES 22,16,14,29 SD 7,6,6,11 What I will be doing is using an annealer after every shot. The turntable annealer I had did very well for the price. I think I paid 275$ for it. To pay 4x more for the AMP, that is for you to decide. I think for the money, the Annealeez could be the best bang for the buck for a hunter/steel challenge guy. I think if I was to compete with the benchrest/FClass crowd, I would want the amp. To give my targets a little plug, here is a discount code for 15% off RX18 [URL]https://www.boxtobenchprecision.com/store/100-yard-target[/URL] We have 5 new targets coming out soon. I will do a new thread about that. Happy Shooting Joseph Mecomber Box to Bench Precision, LLC [/QUOTE]
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