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<blockquote data-quote="RogerK" data-source="post: 122024" data-attributes="member: 6314"><p>[ QUOTE ]</p><p>The test is 100% invalid and not very useful. I worked with the most famous ammoniacal chemist on the planet and an laboratory chemist to come up with a valid test. Ammonia facts: <ul type="square"> [*]Ammonia quickly evaporates and looses strength [*]Ammonia strength is measured by density (called Baume) [*]Ammonia requires Oxygen to dissolve Cu - immersion tests are invalid and not what happens when you clean your barrel [*]Janitorial grade Ammonia is a waste of money - Baume-ing out about 7-8. 26 Baume industrial Ammonia is only $15/gal and the way to go [*]Ammonia has never been proven safe for gun barrels. [/list] </p><p></p><p>My tests lead me to believe that ammonium hydroxide solutions are very ineffective against <em> <strong>carbon</strong> </em> fouling. Butches Bore shine, or <strong> GM Top Engine Cleaner part # 1050002 </strong> work.</p><p></p><p>I've talked to several materials engineers who are emphatic that ammonia will attack the iron in gun barrel alloys. The ammoniacal chemists will not conjecture but ask me to do the test we came up with (to determine if Ammonia is safe).</p><p></p><p>I've got the two ammoniacal experiments on my 2-do list but they haven't made the top 50. </p><p></p><p>[/ QUOTE ]</p><p></p><p>This is an example of how facts can be used to distort.</p><p></p><p>Ammonia will attack the iron in a gun barrel. So will water that's in the air as humidity. Yet I don't see, nor have ever seen, any shooter wrapping their shooting irons in water proof material to keep the moisture and hence, rust off the iron. Rust is a combination of water conndensed to the metal and time for the chemical process to work. That's why every ammonia based cleaner has a limit on the label as to the time it's allowed in the barrel. You take away the time needed for the process to work.</p><p></p><p>Ammonia does need oxygen to dissolve copper. The key is supplying the oxidizer and that's a trade secret.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RogerK, post: 122024, member: 6314"] [ QUOTE ] The test is 100% invalid and not very useful. I worked with the most famous ammoniacal chemist on the planet and an laboratory chemist to come up with a valid test. Ammonia facts: <ul type="square"> [*]Ammonia quickly evaporates and looses strength [*]Ammonia strength is measured by density (called Baume) [*]Ammonia requires Oxygen to dissolve Cu - immersion tests are invalid and not what happens when you clean your barrel [*]Janitorial grade Ammonia is a waste of money - Baume-ing out about 7-8. 26 Baume industrial Ammonia is only $15/gal and the way to go [*]Ammonia has never been proven safe for gun barrels. [/list] My tests lead me to believe that ammonium hydroxide solutions are very ineffective against [i] [b]carbon[/b] [/i] fouling. Butches Bore shine, or [b] GM Top Engine Cleaner part # 1050002 [/b] work. I've talked to several materials engineers who are emphatic that ammonia will attack the iron in gun barrel alloys. The ammoniacal chemists will not conjecture but ask me to do the test we came up with (to determine if Ammonia is safe). I've got the two ammoniacal experiments on my 2-do list but they haven't made the top 50. [/ QUOTE ] This is an example of how facts can be used to distort. Ammonia will attack the iron in a gun barrel. So will water that's in the air as humidity. Yet I don't see, nor have ever seen, any shooter wrapping their shooting irons in water proof material to keep the moisture and hence, rust off the iron. Rust is a combination of water conndensed to the metal and time for the chemical process to work. That's why every ammonia based cleaner has a limit on the label as to the time it's allowed in the barrel. You take away the time needed for the process to work. Ammonia does need oxygen to dissolve copper. The key is supplying the oxidizer and that's a trade secret. [/QUOTE]
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