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60* or 90*, preference? One better than the other?
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<blockquote data-quote="RockyMtnUT" data-source="post: 2591123" data-attributes="member: 40704"><p>This is a rabbit hole for sure.</p><p>We really have a lot of great options out there. It is all opinions. That what's great. We all find different specs in actions that speak to us differently.</p><p>I'll try to explain some of mine.</p><p></p><p><strong>The bolt only for now</strong>. I can't stand "cheap"bolts. Now go easy on me. As material costs have increased along with other things manufactures have taken a more cost effective route to produce bolts. If you pay attention to older models they have the old style bolt handles. They have since changed too using that dang screw stud.</p><p></p><p>Example: instead of buying larger round bar stock to make a full length bolt handle they have opted for smaller bar stock. This requires less machine time,cost etc. Some manufactures waterjet from plate steel then is milled. I'm not a fan of plate.</p><p>I'll share a couple pics to show this. It creates more parts and not as clean look. I'm all about appearance along with function. Terminus, Bat Pierce and a couple others still have what I call a true one piece handle/bolt. Many are moving away from it. I hate tooling marks. They are in many actions. Fix the tooling and rates.</p><p>Another Example:</p><p>I have a lone peak here right now that is very smooth cycling bolt. I also</p><p>have a Pierce that is very smooth cycling bolt next to it.</p><p>I have had no less than 5 people in the last couple months close their eyes. I handed them both actions and asked them to cycle a few times. Every time, every. The same one is picked as the smoothest. Why? They are both held to good tolerances right? There are other factors that still play into it. Bolt diameter and very slight finish differences, etc. Are they both smooth? Yes.</p><p></p><p>Function : firing pin assemble, lugs, extractor etc I'm not going to touch on. The last picture will show why some bolts have a harder "bump". So much goes into them. Most manufacturers copy one and slightly vary to some extent.</p><p>I'll weight in on other items that I think are pros and cons with different models and manufactures later.</p><p></p><p>Action body will be next.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RockyMtnUT, post: 2591123, member: 40704"] This is a rabbit hole for sure. We really have a lot of great options out there. It is all opinions. That what’s great. We all find different specs in actions that speak to us differently. I’ll try to explain some of mine. [B]The bolt only for now[/B]. I can’t stand “cheap”bolts. Now go easy on me. As material costs have increased along with other things manufactures have taken a more cost effective route to produce bolts. If you pay attention to older models they have the old style bolt handles. They have since changed too using that dang screw stud. Example: instead of buying larger round bar stock to make a full length bolt handle they have opted for smaller bar stock. This requires less machine time,cost etc. Some manufactures waterjet from plate steel then is milled. I’m not a fan of plate. I’ll share a couple pics to show this. It creates more parts and not as clean look. I’m all about appearance along with function. Terminus, Bat Pierce and a couple others still have what I call a true one piece handle/bolt. Many are moving away from it. I hate tooling marks. They are in many actions. Fix the tooling and rates. Another Example: I have a lone peak here right now that is very smooth cycling bolt. I also have a Pierce that is very smooth cycling bolt next to it. I have had no less than 5 people in the last couple months close their eyes. I handed them both actions and asked them to cycle a few times. Every time, every. The same one is picked as the smoothest. Why? They are both held to good tolerances right? There are other factors that still play into it. Bolt diameter and very slight finish differences, etc. Are they both smooth? Yes. Function : firing pin assemble, lugs, extractor etc I’m not going to touch on. The last picture will show why some bolts have a harder “bump”. So much goes into them. Most manufacturers copy one and slightly vary to some extent. I’ll weight in on other items that I think are pros and cons with different models and manufactures later. Action body will be next. [/QUOTE]
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