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6.5 Credmoor vs 7mm-08
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<blockquote data-quote="toddc" data-source="post: 1260775" data-attributes="member: 4566"><p>Exactly because of what I have been saying. Wildrose's point which is 100% correct is that the two cartridges loaded to the same pressures yields the 260 outrunning the 47. It's math.</p><p>The real world reality is that the 47 can run REALLY close to the 260 because of brass design, thickness and primer/flash hole, without SHOWING pressure. The pressure is there, we just don't see it.</p><p>Lots of guys run the 47 almost as fast as a 260 because they CAN. They are over pressure but there are no SIGNS of it.</p><p>Build a 260 with brass with the same thickness, hardness and a small primer hole and pocket and you can compare apples to apples. That isn't the real world most live in however. </p><p>Guys running the 47 in the same area as the 260 are doing it by relying on the brass to hold over SAAMI pressure and are getting away with what would cause issues in a 260 or Creed.</p><p>This kind of stuff is more common than many realize. There is Wildrose's version of internal ballistics which is THEROTECIALLY and ABSOLUTELY CORRECT and your version of real world ballistics which is REALISTICALLY CORRECT.</p><p>You can run your 47 nearly as fast as a 260, however you are doing it at a higher pressure than the 260 and the brass is masking your pressure signs. Happens every day. Doesn't make it smart and there is always the chance that ONE particular piece of brass or primer out of 1000 won't handle it and you will have primer in your eyes.</p><p>I have seen this stuff many, many times. Not only does brass MASK pressure signs, but actions, primers, barrels and powders do also.</p><p>Lots of guys are running over SAAMI to achieve the velocity that they do. Some combinations ALLOW this and others won't. A stock non trued action will USUALLY show pressure before a custom. Some chambers because of finish will SHOW less pressure than others. Tons of variables that allow people to REALISTICALLY achieve that which is THEORETICALLY impossible by CHEATING the pressure gods.</p><p>Wildrose is RIGHT. The 260 loaded the same way as the 47 will outrun it. Just a lot of guys run the 47 hotter than the 260 and get away with it for the most part due to a lot of different factors.</p><p> Run both loads thru Quickload and actually MEASURE pressure not pressure SIGNS and the 260 is faster.</p><p>Load both to show pressure SIGNS and who knows which will cry uncle first.</p><p>Unfortunately the real world we load to SIGNS not PRESSURE. If we had commonly available pressure testing systems that EVERYONE used there would be a lot less talk of the 47 running in the same league as the 260. Until we do, guys will hotrod stuff and SOME will pay for it sooner or later.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="toddc, post: 1260775, member: 4566"] Exactly because of what I have been saying. Wildrose's point which is 100% correct is that the two cartridges loaded to the same pressures yields the 260 outrunning the 47. It's math. The real world reality is that the 47 can run REALLY close to the 260 because of brass design, thickness and primer/flash hole, without SHOWING pressure. The pressure is there, we just don't see it. Lots of guys run the 47 almost as fast as a 260 because they CAN. They are over pressure but there are no SIGNS of it. Build a 260 with brass with the same thickness, hardness and a small primer hole and pocket and you can compare apples to apples. That isn't the real world most live in however. Guys running the 47 in the same area as the 260 are doing it by relying on the brass to hold over SAAMI pressure and are getting away with what would cause issues in a 260 or Creed. This kind of stuff is more common than many realize. There is Wildrose's version of internal ballistics which is THEROTECIALLY and ABSOLUTELY CORRECT and your version of real world ballistics which is REALISTICALLY CORRECT. You can run your 47 nearly as fast as a 260, however you are doing it at a higher pressure than the 260 and the brass is masking your pressure signs. Happens every day. Doesn't make it smart and there is always the chance that ONE particular piece of brass or primer out of 1000 won't handle it and you will have primer in your eyes. I have seen this stuff many, many times. Not only does brass MASK pressure signs, but actions, primers, barrels and powders do also. Lots of guys are running over SAAMI to achieve the velocity that they do. Some combinations ALLOW this and others won't. A stock non trued action will USUALLY show pressure before a custom. Some chambers because of finish will SHOW less pressure than others. Tons of variables that allow people to REALISTICALLY achieve that which is THEORETICALLY impossible by CHEATING the pressure gods. Wildrose is RIGHT. The 260 loaded the same way as the 47 will outrun it. Just a lot of guys run the 47 hotter than the 260 and get away with it for the most part due to a lot of different factors. Run both loads thru Quickload and actually MEASURE pressure not pressure SIGNS and the 260 is faster. Load both to show pressure SIGNS and who knows which will cry uncle first. Unfortunately the real world we load to SIGNS not PRESSURE. If we had commonly available pressure testing systems that EVERYONE used there would be a lot less talk of the 47 running in the same league as the 260. Until we do, guys will hotrod stuff and SOME will pay for it sooner or later. [/QUOTE]
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