ya i have looked at all the stuff on 5 7 forumn but it is all load data for the semi autos and pistols. I think guns and ammo had an article about it with some load data. I was just trying to see if somebody was shooting it in a contender or an encore. I know it will shoot harder than what those loads are it basicaly has the same capacity as the hornet. Just curious about a nother plinker gun.gun)