wild_musk
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Lol, I know, I was the same. Have to use the right bullet though, many won't perform correctly at that velocity...so here we are.
45-70 elk hunt - 250 SH or 300g Barnes TSX FN
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FireFlyFishing
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Flat shooting and 45-70. I don't usually hear those two in the same sentence often…
It is relative. With open sights, the 45-70 is a very effective round to 250 yards, if your eyes are good enough. On moose and Elk, the kill zone is big enough that you can pretty much use the same point of aim from 25 to 200 yards, with a 150 yard zero.
| Trajectory | |||
| Input Data | |||
| Manufacturer: | Hornady | Description: | Round Nose |
| Caliber: | 0.458 in | Weight: | 350.0 gr |
| Ballistic Coefficient: | 0.189 G1 (ASM) | ||
| Muzzle Velocity: | 1800.0 ft/s | Distance to Chronograph: | 10.0 ft |
| Sight Height: | 0.50 in | Sight Offset: | 0.00 in |
| Zero Height: | 0.00 in | Zero Offset: | 0.00 in |
| Windage: | 0.000 MOA | Elevation: | 0.000 MOA |
| Line Of Sight Angle: | 0.0 deg | Cant Angle: | 0.0 deg |
| Wind Speed: | 10.0 mph | Wind Angle: | 90.0 deg |
| Target Speed: | 0.0 mph | Target Angle: | 90.0 deg |
| Target Height: | 12.0 in | ||
| Temperature: | 59.0 °F | Pressure: | 29.92 in Hg |
| Humidity: | 0 % | Altitude: | 0.0 ft |
| Vital Zone Radius: | 7.0 in | ||
| Std. Atmosphere at Altitude: | No | Pressure is Corrected: | Yes |
| Zero at Max. Point Blank Range: | No | Target Relative Drops: | Yes |
| Mark Sound Barrier Crossing: | No | Include Extra Rows: | No |
| Column 1 Units: | 1.00 in | Column 2 Units: | 1.00 MOA |
| Round Output to Whole Numbers: | No | ||
| Output Data | |||
| Elevation: | 9.878 MOA | Windage: | 0.000 MOA |
| Atmospheric Density: | 0.07647 lb/ft³ | Speed of Sound: | 1116.4 ft/s |
| Maximum PBR: | 220 yd | Maximum PBR Zero: | 188 yd |
| Range of Maximum Height: | 102 yd | Energy at Maximum PBR: | 1006.5 ft•lbs |
| Sectional Density: | 0.238 lb/in² |
| Range | Drop | Drop | Windage | Windage | Velocity | Mach | Energy | Time | Lead | Lead |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| (yd) | (in) | (MOA) | (in) | (MOA) | (ft/s) | (none) | (ft•lbs) | (s) | (in) | (MOA) |
| Calculated Table | ||||||||||
| 25 | 1.7 | 6.7 | 0.2 | 0.8 | 1716.6 | 1.538 | 2289.6 | 0.043 | 0.0 | 0.0 |
| 50 | 3.2 | 6.2 | 0.8 | 1.6 | 1624.1 | 1.455 | 2049.5 | 0.087 | 0.0 | 0.0 |
| 75 | 3.9 | 5.0 | 1.9 | 2.4 | 1536.0 | 1.376 | 1833.3 | 0.135 | 0.0 | 0.0 |
| 100 | 3.7 | 3.5 | 3.5 | 3.3 | 1452.8 | 1.301 | 1640.0 | 0.185 | 0.0 | 0.0 |
| 125 | 2.4 | 1.8 | 5.5 | 4.2 | 1375.0 | 1.232 | 1469.0 | 0.238 | 0.0 | 0.0 |
| 150 | -0.0 | -0.0 | 8.1 | 5.2 | 1303.0 | 1.167 | 1319.3 | 0.294 | 0.0 | 0.0 |
| 175 | -3.7 | -2.0 | 11.2 | 6.1 | 1237.6 | 1.109 | 1190.2 | 0.353 | 0.0 | 0.0 |
| 200 | -8.8 | -4.2 | 14.9 | 7.1 | 1179.4 | 1.056 | 1080.8 | 0.415 | 0.0 | 0.0 |
| 225 | -15.5 | -6.6 | 19.0 | 8.1 | 1128.6 | 1.011 | 989.7 | 0.480 | 0.0 | 0.0 |
| 250 | -23.9 | -9.1 | 23.7 | 9.1 | 1085.0 | 0.972 | 914.8 | 0.548 | 0.0 | 0.0 |
Varmint Hunter
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The Hornady 250 MonoFlex averaged 1.75" @ 200 yds from my 1895SBl (18.5"), using the Barnes max charge weight of 1680. Velocity measured 2,300fps on my LabRadar. I consider that to be excellent accuracy from the levergun. Chest shots on deer will exit so I haven't recovered an expanded bullet for examination, but the deer don't go far.
I'm interested in the 250SH and would like to see if the fly faster or flatter, and are as accurate as the pointy Hornady mono. A lot of guys have been using the Hornady 250 mono in their 458SOCOM rifles with good results.
BTW - the Hornady 250 MonoFlex will require you to use shortened brass if you want them to cycle normally through an 1895 action. I just trimmed down 25 cases and leave them in a separate ammo box that clearly indicates, "SHORT BRASS" on the cover.
Varmint Hunter
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You would be pleasantly surprised to see the marked reduction in bullet drop from 100yds to 200yds with bullets in the 250gr class if you compare it to a 405gr bullet at 1,600-1,700fps. It will give you confidence if you are inclined to take a shot that far. There certainly is enough horsepower left at 200yds.
wild_musk
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It's hard to say, but you don't have to shorten the brass.
wild_musk
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Killed a 5x5 Sun morning with my Win 1886. I used the 250g Hammer at roughly 2500fps. I shot 2x, once in the left shoulder, once in the right. I recovered the bottom half of first bullet under the hide of the far shoulder, petals shed. The other passed through. First shot was about 40 yards, and I really thought I'd anchor him, but he turned himself around and went 20 yards or so before pulling up and hanging his head. I shot again and he went down, got back up, went another few steps and fell for good. 3 of us could find no blood until the spot he staggered, which I'm sort of writing off as a fluke. Bullet placement just behind each shoulder. One ripped up the top of the heart. Idk.
wild_musk
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Yep. Just reporting back on how the hunt turned out.
Congratulations on a great hunt. Sounds like you had a ton of fun.
wild_musk
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Thanks, it was really cool. Public land NM. Started calling with what we thought was one bull (ended up being 2) and some cows before light. They stopped responding a couple times, but around 9am they got excited and this one came in. Not a great tale for a long range forum I know, but everything worked great.
