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338 EDGE @3146 with 300 Berger
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<blockquote data-quote="Fiftydriver" data-source="post: 1885437" data-attributes="member: 10"><p>no, the 338 edge WILL NOT produce more velocity then the 338 lapua AI. Not even close. That said, the 338 lapua AI is a poor design. The AI case design was ment to be used on cases the diameter of the 06. Larger diameter cases need more body taper for proper extraction at top working loads especially when brass gets a bit long in the tooth.</p><p></p><p>the lapua case has many advantages over the much longer edge, especially if someone wants a repeating rifle. The shorter fatter powder column has been proven to be more efficient as it will produce more FPS per grain of powder then a longer skinnier powder column. How critical is this, not much....</p><p></p><p>however, it does allow for much shorter OAL in ammo which makes it easier to get into repeating rifles with conventional length mags. For example, just tested one of my APS Stalker Hunter rifles in my 338 Allen Xpress which is a fine tuned version of the lapua improved wildcat. In a 28" barrel with ammo that is only 3.670" in oal, this rifle will drive the 300 gr. Berger to 3015 fps with extremely comfortable pressures easily allowing 8-10 firings per case.</p><p></p><p>for the Edge to get anywhere near this you would need a 30" plus barrel, nearly 4" ammo length and likely special throats that have their own stated life issues.</p><p></p><p>then someone will say, brass is to expensive for the lapua...... well, if you can gain 150-200 fps in same length barrels with same bullet and get 8-10 firings compared an edge that may at best get half that case life. last time i checked, lapua brass was not twice as expensive as top quality RUM brass so the brass price issue is a non issue When you look at cost per firing.....</p><p></p><p>however, there are applications where i would recommend the Edge over my 338 Allen Xpress. Namely, if someone wanted to use a commercial receiver and not go with a full custom receiver designed from the ground up for the lapuas special stress issues. For those applications, say a rem 700 receiver, i would recommend the Edge over my 338 Allen Xpress, not because of performance in any way, but because the smaller diameter edge case head is more easily supported by the rem 700 receiver.</p><p></p><p>i am not bad mouthing the RUM or edge, build alot of 300 rum rifles and in the past have build dozens of Edge rifles and they flat out shoot and are accurate and hit hard. I just wanted more and my 338 Allen Xpress takes it to a significantly higher level and combined with my Raptor and Stalker receivers, which are designed from the ground up to be the ultimate for this class of chambering, the RUM or Edge simply does not compare as far as performance goes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fiftydriver, post: 1885437, member: 10"] no, the 338 edge WILL NOT produce more velocity then the 338 lapua AI. Not even close. That said, the 338 lapua AI is a poor design. The AI case design was ment to be used on cases the diameter of the 06. Larger diameter cases need more body taper for proper extraction at top working loads especially when brass gets a bit long in the tooth. the lapua case has many advantages over the much longer edge, especially if someone wants a repeating rifle. The shorter fatter powder column has been proven to be more efficient as it will produce more FPS per grain of powder then a longer skinnier powder column. How critical is this, not much.... however, it does allow for much shorter OAL in ammo which makes it easier to get into repeating rifles with conventional length mags. For example, just tested one of my APS Stalker Hunter rifles in my 338 Allen Xpress which is a fine tuned version of the lapua improved wildcat. In a 28” barrel with ammo that is only 3.670” in oal, this rifle will drive the 300 gr. Berger to 3015 fps with extremely comfortable pressures easily allowing 8-10 firings per case. for the Edge to get anywhere near this you would need a 30” plus barrel, nearly 4” ammo length and likely special throats that have their own stated life issues. then someone will say, brass is to expensive for the lapua...... well, if you can gain 150-200 fps in same length barrels with same bullet and get 8-10 firings compared an edge that may at best get half that case life. last time i checked, lapua brass was not twice as expensive as top quality RUM brass so the brass price issue is a non issue When you look at cost per firing..... however, there are applications where i would recommend the Edge over my 338 Allen Xpress. Namely, if someone wanted to use a commercial receiver and not go with a full custom receiver designed from the ground up for the lapuas special stress issues. For those applications, say a rem 700 receiver, i would recommend the Edge over my 338 Allen Xpress, not because of performance in any way, but because the smaller diameter edge case head is more easily supported by the rem 700 receiver. i am not bad mouthing the RUM or edge, build alot of 300 rum rifles and in the past have build dozens of Edge rifles and they flat out shoot and are accurate and hit hard. I just wanted more and my 338 Allen Xpress takes it to a significantly higher level and combined with my Raptor and Stalker receivers, which are designed from the ground up to be the ultimate for this class of chambering, the RUM or Edge simply does not compare as far as performance goes. [/QUOTE]
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