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30 Nosler vs 300WM vs 300PRC
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<blockquote data-quote="greenejc" data-source="post: 2360058" data-attributes="member: 60453"><p>Almost nobody. However, I've seen it done. I have an old modified (Synthetic stock and M14 muzzle flash suppresser added to the barrel) 1903-a3 that my younger brother put an S&K mount on and a cheap tasco scope 3X9 variable to hunt deer. At the time, he was a police officer at Pecos Texas. This rifle likes everything. The barrel is stamped with the US Army Ordinance stamp and a date of 8/43. He went to the Texas Counter-sniper/Swat class at Dallas/Ft. Worth. He took a match grade M700 in .223 Remington with really good glass. It was used, and he took the -06 as an after thought. On the 5th or 6th day, he shot the worn barrel out of the .223. Groups in the morning were o.5" with match ammo and 2. or bigger in the afternoon. He went from standing 2nd to 20th and the rifle would no longer qualify in accuracy for the class. He went down to Walmart and bought them out of 30-06 165 grain CoreLokt ammunition (his department wouldn't pay for ammo so he had to buy his own) and qualified the rifle for the class with it first, with an average group size of 0.65" at 100 yards, and finished the course with the -03, standing 3rd in the class. I still have and shoot this rifle. It groups 0.7" with Hornaday 165 grain bullets, and 0.75 or less with 168 through 200 grain bullets, usually tightest with Sierra or Nosler. But it will go inside 1" with most factory Remington loads, or tighter. I haven't tried any of the tricks I've done on my Rugers because its better than good enough as it is. </p><p></p><p>It doesn't . I've had primers get loose in Federal -06 brass after three or four firings that didn't get loose ever in Remington brass. Some brass is softer than other brass. If its safe in your rifle, its safe in your rifle. Although I haven't had any problems with Hornaday brass having loose primer pockets in any of my loads. I also don't push the limits in anything but the Whelen. Even there, I don't push the limits past the old reloading manuals before lawyeritis became a disease. These rifles are proofed for around 75 to 80000 psi, but they might not hold up well to a steady diet of 5 or 6000 ftlbs over the SAAMI safe pressures. If the bolt lift is stiff, I don't chance it. I stay well inside safe pressures in my loads. I don't care how fast the bullet gets there, just that it does, that its repeatable and that all rounds arrive in the same place within less than 1 minute of angle. If the bullet leaves at 3,000 fps or at 2600 fps, if it gets to the target consistently with the same drop at the same distance, it'll still do the job if its big enough, dense enough and heavy enough. If it arrives with enough energy at 800 yards and within an 8" circle centered on my target, it'll kill anything I need killed. It doesn't need to be a barn burner. But a 300 Win Mag is more than capable of doing that with heavy for caliber bullets at or below sammi maximum pressures. I'm sure the Sherman will also do it hands down. But I can get factory loads for my 300 if my handloads get misplaced on a trip say, to Canada. I can't do that everywhere with the PRC or the Sherman or the Nosler. Small town stores will have the 300 Win Mag or the 7mm Mag or the 30-06. It isn't which round is faster, better, has more range. Its which one is sufficiently accurate, available, flat shooting and easy to get reloading components for. I can't go into a big box store and get Sherman dies. I can't go into the local hardware store in No-Where Colorado and get a box of 300 PRC's. I can't get reloading data on your round in the latest Lee manual or the latest Speer manual etc. But I can do all of that with the 300 Win Mag.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="greenejc, post: 2360058, member: 60453"] Almost nobody. However, I've seen it done. I have an old modified (Synthetic stock and M14 muzzle flash suppresser added to the barrel) 1903-a3 that my younger brother put an S&K mount on and a cheap tasco scope 3X9 variable to hunt deer. At the time, he was a police officer at Pecos Texas. This rifle likes everything. The barrel is stamped with the US Army Ordinance stamp and a date of 8/43. He went to the Texas Counter-sniper/Swat class at Dallas/Ft. Worth. He took a match grade M700 in .223 Remington with really good glass. It was used, and he took the -06 as an after thought. On the 5th or 6th day, he shot the worn barrel out of the .223. Groups in the morning were o.5" with match ammo and 2. or bigger in the afternoon. He went from standing 2nd to 20th and the rifle would no longer qualify in accuracy for the class. He went down to Walmart and bought them out of 30-06 165 grain CoreLokt ammunition (his department wouldn't pay for ammo so he had to buy his own) and qualified the rifle for the class with it first, with an average group size of 0.65" at 100 yards, and finished the course with the -03, standing 3rd in the class. I still have and shoot this rifle. It groups 0.7" with Hornaday 165 grain bullets, and 0.75 or less with 168 through 200 grain bullets, usually tightest with Sierra or Nosler. But it will go inside 1" with most factory Remington loads, or tighter. I haven't tried any of the tricks I've done on my Rugers because its better than good enough as it is. It doesn't . I've had primers get loose in Federal -06 brass after three or four firings that didn't get loose ever in Remington brass. Some brass is softer than other brass. If its safe in your rifle, its safe in your rifle. Although I haven't had any problems with Hornaday brass having loose primer pockets in any of my loads. I also don't push the limits in anything but the Whelen. Even there, I don't push the limits past the old reloading manuals before lawyeritis became a disease. These rifles are proofed for around 75 to 80000 psi, but they might not hold up well to a steady diet of 5 or 6000 ftlbs over the SAAMI safe pressures. If the bolt lift is stiff, I don't chance it. I stay well inside safe pressures in my loads. I don't care how fast the bullet gets there, just that it does, that its repeatable and that all rounds arrive in the same place within less than 1 minute of angle. If the bullet leaves at 3,000 fps or at 2600 fps, if it gets to the target consistently with the same drop at the same distance, it'll still do the job if its big enough, dense enough and heavy enough. If it arrives with enough energy at 800 yards and within an 8" circle centered on my target, it'll kill anything I need killed. It doesn't need to be a barn burner. But a 300 Win Mag is more than capable of doing that with heavy for caliber bullets at or below sammi maximum pressures. I'm sure the Sherman will also do it hands down. But I can get factory loads for my 300 if my handloads get misplaced on a trip say, to Canada. I can't do that everywhere with the PRC or the Sherman or the Nosler. Small town stores will have the 300 Win Mag or the 7mm Mag or the 30-06. It isn't which round is faster, better, has more range. Its which one is sufficiently accurate, available, flat shooting and easy to get reloading components for. I can't go into a big box store and get Sherman dies. I can't go into the local hardware store in No-Where Colorado and get a box of 300 PRC's. I can't get reloading data on your round in the latest Lee manual or the latest Speer manual etc. But I can do all of that with the 300 Win Mag. [/QUOTE]
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