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223 Varmint rifle, build or buy??
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<blockquote data-quote="ATH" data-source="post: 1283172" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p>I'm a bit perplexed at your desire to shoot the .223 at 1100-1500fps. I won't say it's impossible, but I can't say I've seen it done. If it is possible, your POI would likely be radically different and require a re-zero or scope compensation whenever switching between rounds. I would think you would be better off choosing a harder bullet which would kill, but not grenade like a Vmax and utterly destroy small game.</p><p></p><p>If you want to shoot paper at 600-1000 yards, you can make a fast twist 223 do this. However, you will be profoundly disappointed on its ability to reliably put down game. And the bullets you can accurately shoot that far and buck the wind are for shooting paper much more than for shooting game.</p><p></p><p>It sounds like what you really want is a 243. This would retain the performance you want on both targets and small game to a much longer distance.</p><p></p><p>If you are set on a 223, IMHO, you are asking too many different things from it, and have unrealistic expectations of what it can accomplish at long range.</p><p></p><p>As for "semi custom", you can get a Savage and rebarrel at home quite easily to whatever you want. Or buy a Remington and do a "Rem/age" with a McGowan barrel or similar, which is the same method as the Savage barrel nut installation but with some added complexity indexing the recoil lug.</p><p></p><p>I can't say there is any factory rifle I would trust to shoot accurately at 600-1000 yards that would cost less than buying a donor Savage and re-barreling with a quality rifle capable of what I wanted, and bedding it in a Boyds stock or similar.</p><p></p><p>I'm a huge fan of the little rifles, this winter I built a precision AR in 223 and a Savage in 20 Practical. But I don't plan to shoot the 223 over 500 yards or the 20 over 400.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ATH, post: 1283172, member: 1656"] I'm a bit perplexed at your desire to shoot the .223 at 1100-1500fps. I won't say it's impossible, but I can't say I've seen it done. If it is possible, your POI would likely be radically different and require a re-zero or scope compensation whenever switching between rounds. I would think you would be better off choosing a harder bullet which would kill, but not grenade like a Vmax and utterly destroy small game. If you want to shoot paper at 600-1000 yards, you can make a fast twist 223 do this. However, you will be profoundly disappointed on its ability to reliably put down game. And the bullets you can accurately shoot that far and buck the wind are for shooting paper much more than for shooting game. It sounds like what you really want is a 243. This would retain the performance you want on both targets and small game to a much longer distance. If you are set on a 223, IMHO, you are asking too many different things from it, and have unrealistic expectations of what it can accomplish at long range. As for "semi custom", you can get a Savage and rebarrel at home quite easily to whatever you want. Or buy a Remington and do a "Rem/age" with a McGowan barrel or similar, which is the same method as the Savage barrel nut installation but with some added complexity indexing the recoil lug. I can't say there is any factory rifle I would trust to shoot accurately at 600-1000 yards that would cost less than buying a donor Savage and re-barreling with a quality rifle capable of what I wanted, and bedding it in a Boyds stock or similar. I'm a huge fan of the little rifles, this winter I built a precision AR in 223 and a Savage in 20 Practical. But I don't plan to shoot the 223 over 500 yards or the 20 over 400. [/QUOTE]
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