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<blockquote data-quote="Good" data-source="post: 472330" data-attributes="member: 18866"><p>Richard, I appreciate your honest answers in trying to help Greg. I am glad someone took the time to help me get started rather than flaming right away, whether I spoke in text lingo or not...</p><p> </p><p>Greg, how do you get to Carnegie Hall? Practice practice practice. Eventually, practice will become moot and the need for better equipment (handloads) will show it's ugly head.</p><p> </p><p>Don't just shoot when it's dead calm out. Shoot when it's windy and write down your results. Shoot when it's hot and when it's cold and write everything down including a little picture of what your target looks like for each and every group. Then, realize that group could be much smaller with hand loads. It is not uncommon to push 180g Bergers to 2850-2900 with properly developed 7 Rem Mag handloads. </p><p> </p><p>A ballistics program has been recommended several times now. Use that information. JBM Ballistics is a good free web- based program that you can plug your numbers into. Chances are someone at the range will have a chrono eventually while you and buddies are shooting and they will shoot your gun and loads over it for you to get some readings. I shot a guys 243 over mine the other day to get speeds of his handloads. Don't expect to shoot over his chronograph though, let him do it. Most guys are totally willing to talk guns and help out. Plug your findings into the ballistics program and it tells you MOA, drop, windage, and everything else you wanted to know at whatever distance you want to know it.</p><p> </p><p>Then shoot some more and have fun. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" />gun)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Good, post: 472330, member: 18866"] Richard, I appreciate your honest answers in trying to help Greg. I am glad someone took the time to help me get started rather than flaming right away, whether I spoke in text lingo or not... Greg, how do you get to Carnegie Hall? Practice practice practice. Eventually, practice will become moot and the need for better equipment (handloads) will show it's ugly head. Don't just shoot when it's dead calm out. Shoot when it's windy and write down your results. Shoot when it's hot and when it's cold and write everything down including a little picture of what your target looks like for each and every group. Then, realize that group could be much smaller with hand loads. It is not uncommon to push 180g Bergers to 2850-2900 with properly developed 7 Rem Mag handloads. A ballistics program has been recommended several times now. Use that information. JBM Ballistics is a good free web- based program that you can plug your numbers into. Chances are someone at the range will have a chrono eventually while you and buddies are shooting and they will shoot your gun and loads over it for you to get some readings. I shot a guys 243 over mine the other day to get speeds of his handloads. Don't expect to shoot over his chronograph though, let him do it. Most guys are totally willing to talk guns and help out. Plug your findings into the ballistics program and it tells you MOA, drop, windage, and everything else you wanted to know at whatever distance you want to know it. Then shoot some more and have fun. :Dgun) [/QUOTE]
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