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<blockquote data-quote="rscott5028" data-source="post: 470771" data-attributes="member: 24624"><p>Zookman,</p><p> </p><p>We all started at the beginning and worked up. So, there's no shame there. </p><p> </p><p>It's great that you've had exceptional results thus far. And, I commend you. Welcome aboard. </p><p> </p><p>I for one am skeptical and perhaps others are as well as to whether or not you're going to consistently shoot well at long range with factory ammo be it targets or hunting. </p><p> </p><p>It sounds like the only way to get your existing rifle to 1k is by maxing out your elevation and then using the reticule to hold over the target. When that occurs, you also have reduced your windage adjustment to little or nothing which will be a huge problem even if you get the slightest cross-wind because those bullets are not designed for long range and thus have a comparatively low BC. </p><p> </p><p>The 20 MOA scope base as was suggested is the way to go. You will also need an accurate range finder or really good Mil dot ranging skills. </p><p> </p><p>One option would be to continue practicing at 617yds and have fun while you see if that ammo continues to perform well for you after many 5 shot groups. Even if you group well with it, you may find your POI shifting from box to box much more so than would be the case with handloads. </p><p> </p><p>Additionally, I really think factory ammo will begin to frustrate you at longer distances and you will eventually be compelled to handload as the sport is addictive and you will certainly want to continue. </p><p> </p><p>It seems that you're leaning that direction anyhow. So, why waste money? </p><p> </p><p>Read the book, "Precision Shooting at 1,000 Yards." </p><p>Purchase the necessary base and rings.</p><p>Get a good range finder if you don't yet have one. </p><p>Start hand loading with high BC bullets. </p><p>Get a good ballistics program. I use Nightforce NFBal. But, there are many others including ones that are free. </p><p> </p><p>Hope this helps...</p><p>Richard</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="rscott5028, post: 470771, member: 24624"] Zookman, We all started at the beginning and worked up. So, there's no shame there. It's great that you've had exceptional results thus far. And, I commend you. Welcome aboard. I for one am skeptical and perhaps others are as well as to whether or not you're going to consistently shoot well at long range with factory ammo be it targets or hunting. It sounds like the only way to get your existing rifle to 1k is by maxing out your elevation and then using the reticule to hold over the target. When that occurs, you also have reduced your windage adjustment to little or nothing which will be a huge problem even if you get the slightest cross-wind because those bullets are not designed for long range and thus have a comparatively low BC. The 20 MOA scope base as was suggested is the way to go. You will also need an accurate range finder or really good Mil dot ranging skills. One option would be to continue practicing at 617yds and have fun while you see if that ammo continues to perform well for you after many 5 shot groups. Even if you group well with it, you may find your POI shifting from box to box much more so than would be the case with handloads. Additionally, I really think factory ammo will begin to frustrate you at longer distances and you will eventually be compelled to handload as the sport is addictive and you will certainly want to continue. It seems that you're leaning that direction anyhow. So, why waste money? Read the book, "Precision Shooting at 1,000 Yards." Purchase the necessary base and rings. Get a good range finder if you don't yet have one. Start hand loading with high BC bullets. Get a good ballistics program. I use Nightforce NFBal. But, there are many others including ones that are free. Hope this helps... Richard [/QUOTE]
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