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“My rifle shoots .2s and .3s” ... huh?
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<blockquote data-quote="J E Custom" data-source="post: 1800877" data-attributes="member: 2736"><p>With the lead sled or something like it, (I have tried several other devices like the lead sled And settled on the DF-2 because of the adjustable front support allows me to change the length for better support with different rifles.</p><p><a href="https://www.midwayusa.com/product/101827114?pid=452933" target="_blank">https://www.midwayusa.com/product/101827114?pid=452933</a></p><p></p><p>It may not be the best, but it works for me and any rifle I shoot/test on it.</p><p></p><p>As I said, I like to shoot off sand bags, but that's when I get a flier or mess up a good group with a shot that I didn't have the same location on the forend or pressure on the rifle each time with the by pod, the inconsistency was worse but I know the fault is mine. If I just shot a bypod only I know I could master it, but many of the rifles don't have the forend strength and shoot much better of a good rest placed back on the stock near the front action screw.</p><p></p><p>So what I have found using the lead sled, the groups are in a neat cluster instead of being strung out vertically or horizontally or both. This type of group normally shows more consistency and measures better giving me a better idea of the rifles potential.</p><p>I also measure each group 4 times and average or use the largest measurement so there is no question that the rifle is doing it. (This is no time to kid your self and use the smallest number). If the measurements are very close I sometimes average to because I know the rifle will do well consistently under these conditions.</p><p></p><p>Even with a good rest there is still a lot of concentration needed to eliminate even more shooter error, and being consistent with each shot which is my goal for testing a rifle.</p><p></p><p>It also assist in better load development because I can measure slight differences from one group to another with confidence. One example of this was when I had a rifle that would shoot an average of .076 and decided to changed to a different primer and it dropped to .055 on average. That doesn't sound like much in terms of thousandths (Only .021 thousandths) but the percentage of improvement was over 1/3 rd. and since then the rifle has averaged .051 to .057. when I have a good day using the lead sled.</p><p></p><p>I think it depends on what the person likes and uses the most how well his system works for him, the lead sled does the best for me, so that is what I use for testing. Results are only as good as the equipment and the procedure consistency and that is probably why there are different ways for people to get the best results for them.</p><p></p><p>PS: I am happy that so many people are interested in improving there shooting especially for this sport, and even those that don't believe that groups smaller that 1/4 MOA ( .250 thousandths) are possible get to hear from those that know they are and maybe convince them try.</p><p></p><p>J E CUSTOM</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="J E Custom, post: 1800877, member: 2736"] With the lead sled or something like it, (I have tried several other devices like the lead sled And settled on the DF-2 because of the adjustable front support allows me to change the length for better support with different rifles. [URL]https://www.midwayusa.com/product/101827114?pid=452933[/URL] It may not be the best, but it works for me and any rifle I shoot/test on it. As I said, I like to shoot off sand bags, but that's when I get a flier or mess up a good group with a shot that I didn't have the same location on the forend or pressure on the rifle each time with the by pod, the inconsistency was worse but I know the fault is mine. If I just shot a bypod only I know I could master it, but many of the rifles don't have the forend strength and shoot much better of a good rest placed back on the stock near the front action screw. So what I have found using the lead sled, the groups are in a neat cluster instead of being strung out vertically or horizontally or both. This type of group normally shows more consistency and measures better giving me a better idea of the rifles potential. I also measure each group 4 times and average or use the largest measurement so there is no question that the rifle is doing it. (This is no time to kid your self and use the smallest number). If the measurements are very close I sometimes average to because I know the rifle will do well consistently under these conditions. Even with a good rest there is still a lot of concentration needed to eliminate even more shooter error, and being consistent with each shot which is my goal for testing a rifle. It also assist in better load development because I can measure slight differences from one group to another with confidence. One example of this was when I had a rifle that would shoot an average of .076 and decided to changed to a different primer and it dropped to .055 on average. That doesn't sound like much in terms of thousandths (Only .021 thousandths) but the percentage of improvement was over 1/3 rd. and since then the rifle has averaged .051 to .057. when I have a good day using the lead sled. I think it depends on what the person likes and uses the most how well his system works for him, the lead sled does the best for me, so that is what I use for testing. Results are only as good as the equipment and the procedure consistency and that is probably why there are different ways for people to get the best results for them. PS: I am happy that so many people are interested in improving there shooting especially for this sport, and even those that don't believe that groups smaller that 1/4 MOA ( .250 thousandths) are possible get to hear from those that know they are and maybe convince them try. J E CUSTOM [/QUOTE]
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