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Discussion in 'Rifles, Bullets, Barrels & Ballistics' started by Silverback7, Sep 3, 2011.
None of the above?
Well what do you paln to buy?
None of the above... Tikka
Most likely a custom, Defiance action, Bartlein barrel is the way I am leaning.
No more Remingtons for me, I've had a bad run with them. Tikkas are impressing me right now, with more after market gear becoming available they are hard to fault.
I wonder if the senior management of Remington is watching what is happening to their leading position in the high power rifle market. Back in the 60's Winchester lost their lead position almost overnight, and that was without the social media network that we have today. Being located in the northeast, our club has had representatives from both companies attend, and even participate at our high power events. They both ask a lot of questions and are very knowlegeable, but through discssions with both, you can sense the difference between the two companies. I could be wrong, but you get the impression that there is a lot of bureaucracy and red tape at Remington. This is the same disease that crippled Winchester. I hope they get their act together. We need the competition!
Good insight. That being said, why does Savage have a "second rate rifle" reputation or am i just mistaken.
I think you are right. They have traditionally produced a product that was targeted at the low price tier. The CEO, a few years back, decided to redefine Savages market position with "accuracy" taking a dominant focus supplemented by very segmented, and applications focused offerings. Sure seems to be a successful. They gave our club a tour of the faciility and an detailed run through of the production process. Very impressive and a very committed group of emplyees!
Dave get this
Model 70 Extreme Weather SS, Ultimate wet weather Bolt Action Deer Elk Big Game Rifle hunting whitetail mule -- Winchester Repeating Arms -- Product Model
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Impact Guns - Remington Model 700 XCR, 300 Win Mag, 26" Tactical Long Range Rifle
I think your completely wrong! Savage was always kind of a dark horse in the market, but virtually always out performed the Remington and Winchesters. But their real nich was the 99 and a few other items. Then about 25 years ago Sundra tested a 112V single shot rifle in 22-250. Shot 5/16" groups with it. The rifle wasn't pretty, and was pretty much a dull finished varmit rig. On the otherhand the Remington shills like Layne Simpson and a couple others wouldn't even look at one, and if by chance they did, they'd always use cheap factory ammo in it. On the otherhand gunsmiths refused to look at one cause they only knew how to work on a Remington or a Winchester. Then the word got out that with a Savage you don't need a gunsmith, and they've been moving towards the top of the heap ever since. What made them better was that they came from the factory with a much better barrel than the other guys did, and later they came with much better stocks.
About 15 years ago it kinda looked like Ruger was going to make a serious push to build a super accurate target rifle. They did improve on their basic 77 action a bunch. One also has to give Ruger credit for chambering the 6PPC from the factory along with Sako. Winchester and Remington seemed to want to stay with the hand delt to them instead of build upon it. But Savage actually asked folks what they wanted, and simply responded.
While all the above was happening; Savage completely retooled with quality equipment. Now their actions need little if any work to make then dead strait. The only other bunch to follow suit were Cooper and Weatherby. Remington worked with the small clicks of shooters, and they won't buy enough equipment to pay the light bill for a week. Savage worked with the folks they sold rifles to. Ruger seems to be looking at doing this, and Cooper already has. Yet each group has built their own nich among the shooting public out there, and it shows.
I think the point grayfox was trying to make was that Savage changed their marketing plan. This move made more people notice the truths about the company than the rumors that were out there.
I have a Savage NRA match rifle from the 30s that is a tack driver still! The action and barrel are made out of the same piece of metal. This is an example of the innovative approaches Savage took to accurize their guns.
By simply changing their marketing strategy, Savage was able to change the type of customer that was buying their guns. This change allowed them to grab ahold of a part of the market previously dominated by Remington and Winchester.
I Think Jason and Greyfox have the more well rounded argument. Marketing and reputation win the general populace at first then reputation. I think the only reason I would not by a savage is cause I think they are quite ugly, even back to the 1899 levers they were ugly (I still like it, my buddy has one). Lets face it how nice it looks in you hand still plays a part in marketing.
-my opinion, yours may differ and thats okay. But I'm always right!!