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Manson should have 416 HE and 408 HE prints today in the mail.
He can also make you a resize die reamer from that info.
We got 700 cases in 416 and one more pass if 408s wanted, ,
Going to do more cases for these 2 sizes, Ed
PM or email. ph 989-644-5228
I understand that there was 2-3 times as many guys wanting
to try the 2 mile than there was openings for.Ed
He can also make you a resize die reamer from that info.
We got 700 cases in 416 and one more pass if 408s wanted, ,
Going to do more cases for these 2 sizes, Ed
PM or email. ph 989-644-5228
I understand that there was 2-3 times as many guys wanting
to try the 2 mile than there was openings for.Ed
For 416 HSM we can use a EU made primer I have some of, that
is tamed down a little for smoother ignition, and its cup is harder
than CCI 35s , so we can go quite high pressures. Rigging up
hydraulics on my huge press for easier case shaping.
When few cases fireformed we'll have exact specs for reamer guys.Ed
is tamed down a little for smoother ignition, and its cup is harder
than CCI 35s , so we can go quite high pressures. Rigging up
hydraulics on my huge press for easier case shaping.
When few cases fireformed we'll have exact specs for reamer guys.Ed
We will have 416 HSM test gun done about Wed,
Will have few hundred more 416 HEs done in couple weeks
Got guys running with the longer proportioned chamber that I
promote for hairy loads, some are even getting runs of longer
cases than mine with same base size, made at mfg. A good step
in right direction.. Maybe time to operate for ELR shooting with
the speed results, instead of industry propaganda. Ed
Will have few hundred more 416 HEs done in couple weeks
Got guys running with the longer proportioned chamber that I
promote for hairy loads, some are even getting runs of longer
cases than mine with same base size, made at mfg. A good step
in right direction.. Maybe time to operate for ELR shooting with
the speed results, instead of industry propaganda. Ed
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ELR Researcher,
There is truth in what you are saying. (Moved my reply over here to avoid "conflicts").
We have CheyTac sized actions.
We have BMG sized actions.
Something between, not so much.
Something bigger, not so much.
If you are at the CheyTac (505 Gibbs) sized case and action the only thing that can be done to get more cubic inches is to go long.
If you are at the BMG size again there is only going longer to get the horse power. However, some of us believe that the shape of the BMG case does not suit ELR. The capacity is there. Changing the shape of the powder column seems a way to go and I don't mean just applying Ackley style reshaping. More along the lines of drawing the case out a bit more and reducing the diameter. Net capacity will remain nearly the same. Lowered a bit for the .416 or .458 high BC projectiles and available powders.
Long term the Bat Machine Model EX looks the ticket for the BMG, and derivatives.
You probably know more BMG sized actions than I do.
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A .8 bolt nose would be fantastic for where we are going with this. It would make for a standard 2 man team. 1 shooter with the firearm, 1 spotter with optics and ammo.
What guys will choose depends somewhat on recoil tolerance.
many will be satisfied with our HE size capacity cases and others
will go more. One reason for the HSM is so the ''more'' guys can get
the most with good barrel harmonics in the 50 lb limit, ED
many will be satisfied with our HE size capacity cases and others
will go more. One reason for the HSM is so the ''more'' guys can get
the most with good barrel harmonics in the 50 lb limit, ED
Tonopah, NV 2-Mile Match Aug 24 - 26, 2017
The Tonopah 2-mile match is official and going forward.
Dates are August 24 to 26 (site zeros on the 23rd)
Got info from LRO site,
The Course of Fire is done and appears below. Couple of main points:
ranges 1,300, 1,600, 1,900, 2,200, 2,500, 2,800, 3,100, and 3,525.
The site is virtually flat, so slope is not an issue.....50 lb. maximum for rifles
NO weight limit for gear, but you and your team need to be able to move
it up onto the line in 2 - 3 minutes.No real limit to how the rifle is supported
(front rest is ok, so are bipods and/or, tripods) so are portable shooting tables.
You are allowed to obtain a site zero the day before the match starts,
all targets are all 36" x 36"
The Tonopah 2-mile match is official and going forward.
Dates are August 24 to 26 (site zeros on the 23rd)
Got info from LRO site,
The Course of Fire is done and appears below. Couple of main points:
ranges 1,300, 1,600, 1,900, 2,200, 2,500, 2,800, 3,100, and 3,525.
The site is virtually flat, so slope is not an issue.....50 lb. maximum for rifles
NO weight limit for gear, but you and your team need to be able to move
it up onto the line in 2 - 3 minutes.No real limit to how the rifle is supported
(front rest is ok, so are bipods and/or, tripods) so are portable shooting tables.
You are allowed to obtain a site zero the day before the match starts,
all targets are all 36" x 36"
Here is picture of our 416 HSM case sectioned next to original
BMG case on the right sectioned, to show that we still have
enough thickness in the sides to handle high pressure,
in a case with 310 gr capacity..We are getting the wildcatting
work set up so we can do couple hundred a month.
We still have thousands of 585s, 375HEs, 416 HEs, 408 HEs,,Ed
BMG case on the right sectioned, to show that we still have
enough thickness in the sides to handle high pressure,
in a case with 310 gr capacity..We are getting the wildcatting
work set up so we can do couple hundred a month.
We still have thousands of 585s, 375HEs, 416 HEs, 408 HEs,,Ed
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Ed - the East Ridge Gun/State Arms action is about as low priced as I know of and it is solid. From their site (Accessories - East Ridge Gun Company):
Complete Action $ 850.00
Includes Complete bolt, Trigger, Trigger guard, and Scope base
It is .50 BMG action. Seems zero reason to accept a substantially more expensive "conventional" action with a fat bolt.
You note that your fire formed case (exemplar) is made from .50 BMG brass. There is plenty of excellent quality .50 BMG brass (Lapua and RWS). There are so many high-cap wildcats around, please remind me whether the 416 HSM is (going forward) to be made from proven .50 BMG brass or something spec'd to Bertram.
As shown, seems like "just another" .50 BMG Improved - actually seems not fully formed as the neck-shoulder and shoulder-body junctions do not appear to have crisp corners.
Fred was talking about a different powder column. If working from a base .50 BMG, how will that be different - and provide better performance - than a "standard" .50 BMG Imp?
Finally, why "HSM" since that would seem to confuse potential customers - suggesting that its an HSM product/design? I suggest HESM - Hubel Express Super Magnum.
