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Maximizing Range with the Iron-Sighted Rifle

  1. ADMIN

    ADMIN Administrator

    Mar 6, 2008
    This is a thread for discussion of the article, Maximizing Range with the Iron-Sighted Rifle , By Paul C. Carter. Here you can ask questions or make comments about the article.
  2. younggun

    younggun Active Member

    Sep 15, 2010
    I loved the article!!! After reading this Im gonna have to go put some peep sights on my muzzle loader now.

  3. JohnKuz

    JohnKuz Member

    Feb 1, 2011
    GREAT article! Thank you!

    I started shooting a peep sight on my bow around 1990. Shortly after that, I installed a Williams peep on my Thompson Hawkins'. I became very, proficient out to 100 yards immediately. I didn't "push" much beyond 100 yards.
    This article explains a wonderful technique to get additional yardage out of the appropriate rifle.
    Thank again!
  4. Pistol packer

    Pistol packer Well-Known Member

    Jun 18, 2011
    loved your article!!
    so nice to hear from someone who isn't on the high tech bandwagon. i love simple machines. the high tech stuff works, but too much can go wrong. knock off the scope, dent, cracks, etc. and most of the ballistic programs along with rangefinders etc. all have electronics demanding batteries. hunted too much in alaska and batteries are no good in the winter and that eliminates a lot of the tech stuff.
    i have shot the mauser for years. love the barley corn front sight, very pin point accurate but poor in low light. the ladder rear is fantastic. i used to hit a 6 foot square rock at 1000 yards with it with hardly a miss. my second son took his first 2 caribou at 1400 meters with it. he can see better than perfectly and they were so far away they never moved till he walked the rear sight up and started to drop them. i also got enamered with the peep. put a vernier williams on the tang of my 45-70. turned it into a 500 yard thumper. i think it would do very nicely at 1000, just couldnt see that far anymore w/o help. love your system. great article.
  5. phillietimothy

    phillietimothy Well-Known Member

    Jan 8, 2011
    10 inches @ 125 yards, 13 inches @ 150 yards, 15 inches @ 175 yards, 18 inches @ 200 yards, 20 inches @ 225 yards, and 23 inches @ 250 yards.


    I enjoyed your article immensely. I do have a question. If your bead subtends 10" @ 125 yards, why isn't the ratio staying the same as distance increases? MOA is an angular measurement, your bead subtends 8 MOA. This should remain the same as distance increases. For example - 8 MOA @ 150 yards is 12"; 8 MOA @ 175 yards is 14", 8 MOA @ 200 yards is 16"; etc.. Please explain, thank you.

  6. TracySes23

    TracySes23 Well-Known Member

    Aug 16, 2012
    When I was a kid (12-13), I had a Remington Model 510 .22 single shot w/iron sights that shot pretty darned good. When you're young, you have really good eyes. Back then I could go to Walgreens and buy a box of shorts for 20-25¢. I used to spend a large portion my allowance for ammo, for shooting walnuts, hickory nuts and anything similar that would float, I found in a woods nearby. I'd throw them in a nearby river and shoot at them as they floated downstream. I could pop those walnuts out to about 75-80 feet at times and 25-50 feet pretty regular. I earned about 5-6 dollars a week delivering papers. That's a lot of shooting. I could buy ammo without my parents & no one thought anything about it back then. I still have one of those rifles to this day, although it's in better condition than the one I had as a kid.
    Today, even with a good rest, there is no way I could come close to shooting like that.

    I gave up shooting with iron sights when I was in my early 30's with nearly everything except my Military High Standard target pistol. Eventually I put a 1.5x scope on it. I was wearing bifocals by then. I've got a Mod. 39 S&W w/iron sights & now I can't focus clearly on the front sight. It's almost shape, bit to shoot well I should be able to see it clearly. Looking through the close-up portion of my glasses I can focus clearly on the rear sight. When I was in my 30's this pistol shot very well with conical cast bullets using Bullseye. If I tried to shoot it at 25 or 50 yards, I wouldn't be able to see the black rings clearly. Maybe I could if I focused on the target, but the the front and rear sights would be a blur, especially the rear. Iron sights are for young ones or those with good eyesight. Sometimes gettin' old sucks.

    Probably peep sights (like you mentioned in your article) would work much better, since the small aperture tends to increase your depth of field just like on a camera, but I've never seen peep sights on a pistol before though, The increased depth of field may not work so well with the aperture so far away from your eye.

    BTW, Thanks for your article, it's a good one.

    Lord, I sure do ramble on at times.