I need a muzzle loader that can kill a deer up to 300 yards

Discussion in 'Muzzleloader Hunting' started by enigma, Dec 26, 2010.

  1. enigma

    enigma Well-Known Member

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    I'm looking for muzzle loader that can shoot accurate to 250- 300 yards? And not a smokeless powder one.I thought a T/c encore or omega or triumph could do it,But I was wrong.I think maybe I was on the wrong forum to ask that question.I should of come on here and ask the pro's.My friend can shoot his knight great to 200 yards.The scope's they sell for muzzle loaders have lines to shoot 250-300 yards.And not the ulitimate muzzle loader either.
     
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  2. Rodneyltd

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    I have owned a TC encore Endeavor, a TC Omega, a Knigt Long Range Hunter, and an Ultimate Firearms BP Express. Have not owned any other brand so my data is from these brands. Any one of these can do 250-300 yards. Some will need a little work to get there but all can do it. If I had to do it all again, I would buy a Kight and never look back. I was the best value for the money in my opinion. The Omega bedded in a laminate stock would be my second choice.
     

  3. enigma

    enigma Well-Known Member

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    Witch knight I can get a used like new knight 85 disc that has a semi custom trigger and thumbhole laminate stock 50 cal.
     
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  4. Rodneyltd

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    The Knight Mk85 disk you mentioned would be good. If you wanted to avoid using the plastic primer holders or have the easy ability to use Blackhorn 209, Lehigh Bullets makes an excellent breech plug as well. Also, I would avoid a 45 caliber since they tend to be more finicky and have fewer bullets available when using sabots.
     
  5. TrophyHunter_colorado

    TrophyHunter_colorado Well-Known Member

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    I just got back from a last second Nebraska ML hunt. We shot 6 deer all with a Triumph and a Omega. All of our shots were over 150 yards and two that were 254 and 280 yards. I was using Barnes 250 grain bullets with 150 grains of T7 pellets I was shooting 2154 FPS. I used the Leupold scope with SABR reticle made for that load, rifle shot easy 1 MOA out to 300 yards. funnest ML hunt I have ever been on
     
  6. ScottB

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    You stated:
    What is wrong with the Savage ML-II loaded with Accurate 5744(something along the lines of 40-ish grains with a 250gr sabot)?
    I guess you could dump three of those pellet things down the tube and cover them up with the same projectile and get the same results? But the mess....either way, I've hit pumpkins(about the size of basketballs) to about 250-275yards with both loads above.

    Also have the regular T/C Encore .50. I've not had the chance to get anything beyond 100yards in front of it. But those groups are tiny?!? Got a pretty good close-out deal on some Triple7 some years ago and the set-up enjoys 2-50's plus 1-20 grain pellet loads(120gr total) with a 250gr T/C projectile. When I run out of those pellets, I'll be grabbing that new Buckhorn209 stuff and playing with that....hoping it'll be as good? The T/C Encore 50 averages .75 to 1.0 inch at 100.................


    Keep 'em clean and shoot 'em alot!!!
    Scott
     
  7. FrontierGander

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    its called a .270 :cool:
     
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    Practically any one will do it with appropriate load development, and the proper person shooting it. The latter is harder to find than the former. 300 yds with a BP gun is easily doable by the knowledgable, but you're not just holding over at that range.
     
  9. TerryLamb

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    Holy Smoke, I remember when muzzloaders fired #11s or musket caps, used blackpowder and lead balls or maxi's, any scope was prohibited, and those caps (or even flints) had to be exposed to the elements.

    Actually, in Idaho most of that is still true. The evolution of muzzloaders into in-line (covered) ignitions, optical sights, saboted clad projectiles, pellet propellants etc. has made these remarkably far-reaching weapons now. Kind of high-powers without the brass case.

    That evolution has resulted in dramatically higher success rates for hunters with a correspondingly drastic decrease in seasons for "muzzleloaders" in many states.

    Some states now see the problem and have instituted "primitive" weapons only seasons in an effort to offer some seasons to those who more prefer to rough it, while the future for the current high-tech trend is to simply morph back into high-power seasons for all.
     
  10. edge

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    Did you know that IN-LINE muzzleloaders preceded smokeless powder by a couple of hundred years!
    The first Creedmoor shoot was with muzzleloaders shooting to 1,000 yards.
    It was won by the American team shooting Rolling block Remingtons loaded from the muzzle.

    Buckskin traditional shooters are BS, IMO!
    You want traditional then ride a horse to your hunting location. No motorized vehicles of any kind, then I'll listen to your sanctimonious cr@p.
    Half of these folks drive 4 wheel drive vehicles, and use atv's to get to their locations and use remote cameras to scout. How the H3ll is that primitive hunting??

    edge.
     
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    Personally I would go smokeless.
    If you are against it then the next question is how much are you willing to spend?
    I would build a custom if money is not a huge concern, but 300 yards is not a big deal with a custom.

    Are you against a .45 ML?
    Are you a reloader?
    Sabots OK or full size bullets?

    edge.
     
  12. enigma

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    Where I hunt the law says no smokeless power muzzle loaders can be used.I'm not against .45 and I reload as far as sabot or bullet what ever works best.
     
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  13. TerryLamb

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    A little edgy there edge. My home state does not allow 209 primers, optical sights, sabots, clad projectiles, or pelletized synthetic powders. In return, Fish and Wildlife sets some nice season opportunities. No one expects nor cares if you listen to such sanctimonious crud, it merely being a reporting of fact.

    Even at that, the seasons have been diminishing as F&W balances increases in popularity and harvest success by necessarily reducing the seasons or going to drawings only to bring special weapons seasons into line with harvest objectives.
     
  14. Hntbambi

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    Saboted ammo is nothing new. They were paper patching during the buffalo hunting days. Heck even cannons had wood sabots for cannon balls. So, I have to call BS to your statement of new technology.

    I think a truer statement is a drastic increase in recovery of shot animals. The newer technology did not change the animals or the hunters. Shots are still taken at the same distances but I'd venture to say that more accurate shots are made.

    As I have said before, when the states start making primitive archery seasons, with longbows or recurve, cedar shafts, no sights, I may go back to flintlock for ML season. Until then, why discriminate against modern muzzleloaders. Edge, you are right on target!