I have not hunted since I went into the military in 1991. Prior to that I had a Rem 700 in 243, and a Ruger in 7mm mag. I have 2 of 3 boys that I am dead set on starting them out with a 243, but I am not sure as to what caliber to get myself. I am looking for something to hunt deer and elk with, something that I can shoot to 500 yards with, and something that is as cheap as possible to reload. I used to be a groundhog hunting nut, and love to make 300+ yard shots. I am looking at getting my sons more into the outdoors, and with 3 of us to outfit, that wont be cheap. I'm looking into Savage and Howa. Any other suggestions? Any Advise welcome. Does a 270 tear up meat in whitetail?