berger?

Discussion in 'Rifles, Bullets, Barrels & Ballistics' started by 300 HART, Apr 1, 2010.

  1. 300 HART

    300 HART Active Member

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    does anyone know how these bullets would do at close range? say 100 yards or less?
    i hear there so good at long range so id like to know if they would work at close range as well. thanks
     
  2. steadyrest1

    steadyrest1 Active Member

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    My sister in law killed a 350 b&c bull elk at 75yds using a 105gr berger vld traveling @ 3350 fps at the muzzle.He is on her wall if you want to ask how that bullet worked.
     

  3. winmag

    winmag Well-Known Member

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    P.M. Mphstigerfan for the link to Berger bullet performance at close range compared to two other well known bullets. If it doesnt work, shoot me a P.M. I think I saved it, but have no idea how to post the link.
     
  4. Broz

    Broz Well-Known Member

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    I have taken many animals from 60 yards to over 800 with Berger VLD's.

    Never tracked one animal.

    Jeff
     
  5. elkaholic

    elkaholic Well-Known Member

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    It depends a lot on where you hit them. I wouldn't advise a shoulder shot on an elk at close range but would probably be DOA with a rib shot. Bergers, like most target bullets, have a WINDOW! They blow up at high velocity and won't expand below about 2000', depending on what you hit.......Rich
     
  6. Broz

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    oops!, don't tell the Elk in my avitar that. He was shot at 650' in the shoulder... make that both shoulders.. with a 210 Berger VLD from the 30-378 Weatherby that he is holding for me while I took his pic. DRT. :)

    jeff
     
  7. elkaholic

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    I'm surprised! I wouldn't count on that every time though. I've seen them really come apart with little penetration. At any rate, good shooting and nice bull......Rich:D
     
  8. Broz

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    Thanks Rich! Thankfully I have never had an issue. He was completely broadside at the top of a steep ridge. I wanted him down where he stood, not back to the bottom. So I took a center shoulder and he stood there for a few seconds and I gave him another. The bullets were 3" apart in the shoulder. Both made it through the far shoulder but did not exit. Both lungs were complete jello. He stumbled trying to turn and went down. The first one had him dead, but I was not taking a chance. As I said I wanted him down.

    Through the shoulder and both hit ribs.
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    Far side where they both stopped after penetrating the second shoulder.
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    I did loose more meat than I like. But I find that consistant with most bullets placed like this. The good new is he was down and dead with no tracking or chance of a lost animal.

    Jeff
     
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  9. brokenharley711

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    i've shot coyotes as close as 70 yards with a .260 130 hunting vld and it didn't come out. It is the loudest pop i've ever heard from an impact shot. not even that much blood at that range.
     
  10. elkaholic

    elkaholic Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure THAT elk couldn't argue the effectiveness!:D
    I plan on doing some bullet testing soon and will TRY to post the results on this site. Stay tuned......Rich
     
  11. Broz

    Broz Well-Known Member

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    I really have come to believe that even the slightest change in bullet placement can have a huge effect on how any bullet preforms. Anymore, I choose the bullet that shoots the best in my rifle and I strive for better placement. A bad well placed bullet will preform much better than a good bullet poorly placed. So I go fo accuracy at all ranges, and most of the time it's a Berger.

    Jeff
     
  12. phorwath

    phorwath Well-Known Member

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    We'll be eagerly awaiting your findings.

    Below is a thread which describes my one experience with Berger 210 VLD performance at very close range ~25 feet. But hey - the bear was killed quickly with that finishing shot...


    http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f19/berger-210-vld-black-bear-field-report-31392/

    Since this incident, I have used the the 284 & 308 VLDs with very satisfactory on-game performance at longer ranges.
     
  13. elkaholic

    elkaholic Well-Known Member

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    Amen to that!
     
  14. roadhunter

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    I shot two bucks and a doe last year (a whitetail, a blacktail, & a doe antelope) with a 168gr from my 7mm Rem Mag at 3065fps.

    The blacktail was broadside at 65 yards. It was about a 175lb buck and I hit it high in the shoulder (probably a little too high) . The buck dropped in it's tracks flopped around a little and was drt by the time I walked up to it. After inspection of the would channel, I found the jacket hung up on the near side shoulder (weighed about 79grs). The remainder of the bullet pushed thru breaking the near side shoulder blade and fraging the top of the lungs and a little bit of the spine. I was a little disapointed in penetration but it was still a quick kill.

    The whitetail I shot at 25 yards quartering to me. The bullet broke the near side shoulder and made jello of the lungs. The jacket was resting under the skin on the off side behind the shoulder. I can honestly say he was dead before he hit the ground. I've never seen anything go down so hard and fast.

    The doe antelope I shot at 30 yards broadside behind the shoulder. She dropped in her tracks too. Bullet blew clean through breaking ribs on the way out. I've also taken a small black bear and an Antelope buck, both 200 yards with a 210gr in my 300RUM. They also dropped in their tracks.

    I believe the VLD's are great for anything up to Elk size game, especially if you don't like tracking! Hope the info helps.

    Doug