Anyone ever thought of this?

Discussion in 'Gunsmithing' started by Tikkamike, Mar 14, 2010.

  1. Tikkamike

    Tikkamike Well-Known Member

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    I have a Tikka T3 I absolutly have the floating recoil lug. It seems rediculous to me. I know I can have it pillar bedded and resolve my issues probably but I had an idea. What if I had the barrel spun on a lathe a little so that I could put a sako or remington recoil lug put on it? Then was thinking will a tikka action fit in a Sako a7 stock? if not I could just go custom. What do you tinkerers think about that?
     
  2. royinidaho

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    If it were me doing the tinkering and I'm a tinkeritus addict!

    Thinking through it a bit, the amount taken off of the barrel would have to exactly match recoil lug thickness to keep from having to tinker w/head space.....

    But what if the markings on the barrel don't line up as with before the recoil lug insertion? That would drive me nuts.......

    Head spacing should be done with a reamer from the chamber end not as with a savage...... Otherwise it turn, space, turn space, turn space until one ends up with too little head space then ya have to go to the reamer anyway......

    It would most probably be an unknown path that is being taken with only hoped for results. When I take that path the project usually ends up in the trash bin.:)

    I know nothing about the Tikka, the floating recoil lug, or if the face of the receiver will need to be trued also. But I do know a lot about tinkerin'.

    I really don't think it would be worth the effort and expense unless your rifle shoots like a shotgun.:)

    But hey, if you really want it done send it this way and I'll give it a go. I just did my first real project on my ancient once through a shop fire Chinese mill! I cut a groove across a scope base just yesterday to fit a Tasco Red Dot sight on a 10/22.:)

    I'm now ready for the next project w/my brand new Harbor Freight Mini Lathe. I think with a proper size mallet I can get the barrel shank into the spindle and this sounds like a good one.:D
     

  3. RockyMtnMT

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    Mike,

    Curious, what issues you are having with the Tikka?

    Steve
     
  4. Tikkamike

    Tikkamike Well-Known Member

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    I am not really having problems. The gon shoots OK I want to improve it though. I can only get about 3/4 to 1 inch 5 shot groups at 100yards. It will shoot a 1 " at 300 too But I know it could shoot better So I am just brainstorming on how to make it a better rifle.
     
  5. RockyMtnMT

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    1" @ 300yrds should have you a long range rifle as far as you can keep enough energy to do the trick. That is 1/3 moa, a fair amount better than most all custom rifles will guarantee. But tinkeritus is a tough thing to get away from.

    Good luck, I hope is works out.

    Steve
     
  6. NesikaChad

    NesikaChad Well-Known Member

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    I've built a few different Sako actions that use an "unconventional" method of registering the recoil lug. It made bedding a challenge so I've done away with them and squished a lug between the barrel/receiver ring exactly the way your describing.

    They've all shot well so it can't be hurting anything.

    Giver hell!
     
  7. Tikkamike

    Tikkamike Well-Known Member

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    I am quite happy with 1inch @300 its the 1 inch @ 100 that bugs me.I can impress people with it till I shoot 100 yards then i blend in with the rest..very aggravating.
     
  8. RockyMtnMT

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    My long range rig shoots better at longer distance than shorter also. It has been a couple of years since I last shot it a 100 yrds. The closest I shoot now is 200 yrds, and only if I am doing load development or hunting.

    Steve
     
  9. NesikaChad

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    HINT:

    When's the last time anyone saw a boat tail bullet being used at a 100 yard benchrest match?

    HINT:

    Boat tails: Long

    Flat base: Short

    Good luck!

    Chad
     
  10. Varmint Hunter

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    It would seem theoretically impossible for any rifle to shoot a 1” group at 100 yards and a 1” group at 300 yards with the same load. I can see how a rifle can maintain 1moa over a given distance but a 1” group would suggest parallel bullet flight rather than an angle of divergence from the muzzle.

    [FONT=&quot]Is this possible?[/FONT]
     
  11. Tikkamike

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    You are right, Theoretically it is impossible. However The flight of a bullet is a very complex subject lots of things affect the flight path in different ways. some are variables that we can change some are not. It seems that a rifle that shoots an inch at a hundred yards would really do nothing more than deteriorate at 300 yards. Here is my theory at a hundred yards a bullet in reality is just getting out of your barrel and starting to fly and may not have had time to stabilize completely. once you start getting out to 200 or even 300 the bullet has been in the air a bit and is in its flight path and stable. and from some point in there group size begins to deteriorate. I have talked to a few Bench rest guys who never even shoot 100 yards and say 300 is a minimum for load development. There are many hours of dry reading available on the flight of a bullet to anyone who is interested. Thats my thoughts on it. I am not an expert but I know I can consistently shoot an inch anywhere between here and 300 yards...
     
  12. royinidaho

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    yea but......wouldn't the bullets from your gun be diverging from the muzzle to 100 yds from around the outside of the POA then be converging from 100 to 300 yards to achieve the smaller sized group in inches and/or MOA.

    If this is so, would the bullets then continue to diverge from 300 yards on out?
     
  13. RockyMtnMT

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    I agree that it is not possible for a group to get physically smaller at a further range. I do believe it is possible to get smaller moa further out. My rifle does this. I think it is one of two things. I think most likely it has to do with the stability factor for the given barrel/bullet combo. It takes more twist to stabilize the same bullet for short range (under 500 yrds) than for long range (over 500 yrds). I think this is where the term "going to sleep" comes in. Or I am just a better shot at longer range than short range.

    Steve
     
  14. Tikkamike

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    I don't know but this is the only gun i have that does it. maybe ill have my dad shoot it and see what he gets.... interesting situation though