300gr .338 Berger. any info?

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  1. lovdasnow

    lovdasnow Well-Known Member

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    I heard that berger is reworking the 300gr 338 bullet, and I was wondering if anyone knew what kind of wait time we are looking at? i did a search trying to find out anything but came up empty handed.

    i'm getting a 338-378 built, and would like to shoot those bullets, but wondering how long I'll be waiting for the new ones.

    thanks again
     
  2. timeless61

    timeless61 Well-Known Member

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    as of a couple weeks ago, they did not even know why their current bullet was having problems. so I was told there was no ETA.
     

  3. lovdasnow

    lovdasnow Well-Known Member

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    thanks for posting. i just called them this week, and they said the redesign was complete, and any of the old 300gr bergers can be sent in for a replacement for free.

    they told me that the nose slump issue was fixed and they are fine in higher velocity rounds. they also said the the bullets you'll find in stores should be new ones as they have been shipping.



    i hope this is true. i think i sounded a little skeptical on the phone, but he assured me that the problems were fixed already.
     
  4. LongBomber

    LongBomber Well-Known Member

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    Anyone with the old 300gr hybrids can send them to me... I will pay full price...:D

    The shoot very nice from my edgegun)
     
  5. lovdasnow

    lovdasnow Well-Known Member

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    i just ordered 250 of the new ones. well, i hope they are the new ones. the new ones should shoot just as good as the old ones right? except they can be pushed harder.
     
  6. RDM416

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    I thought I had read that new ones were going to be intrduced under a new part #. Seems like it would be awfully easy to get mixed up otherwise. Anyone out there know for sure?
     
  7. timeless61

    timeless61 Well-Known Member

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    If this is true I am even more disgusted with berger. Bryan had me do a test with the hybrids and then I called him three times and left three messages and got no phone call returned so in the meantime I traded mine to a member here and because of usps damaging the packaging I never received all of what I should have. I am still short 68 bullets to use and also burned up 43 bergers testing then testing something for Bryan. So basically Berger cost me a lot of money and caused a lot of aggrivation.
     
  8. B23

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    I contacted them about mine, a box of 250, back in June. They sent me a UPS claim tag and UPS picked them up. That is the last word I've heard from them. I hope they don't forget about me.
     
  9. sp6x6

    sp6x6 Well-Known Member

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    Timeless, That is to bad, but did you gain any useful insite on the bullets. I take it they where hybrids? Mine are labeled, target, Hunting performance tests Pending.
     
  10. Eric Stecker

    Eric Stecker <b>SPONSOR</b>

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    Lovdasnow,

    Please tell me if you recall the name of the person you spoke with who gave you the information you posted. I must make it clear that everything you posted is not true (except for the part about you thinking you sounded skeptical. I'm sure that is true). I don't blame you for this misinformation but as you can imagine I am very interested in the person who shared this with you. I'll expand on what is actually happening in a moment.

    RDM416,

    I'll explain fully what is going on but to address your specific question, a different bullet will have a different part number. We have every intension of continuing to make the same bullet we have made already as it is a top performer. Each bullet has a unique part number.

    Timeless61,

    Bryan is presently in Australia and before leaving he welcomed a new son to their family. He has had his hands full. His lack of response is not without cause. He will get back to you as soon as he can I assure you.

    Also, please send me a brief summary of your situation directly to eric.stecker@bergerbullets.com. Include your shipping address and I will make sure that we quickly resolve your lack of bullets.

    B23,

    Everyone who has returned the original version of the 300 gr Hybrid is on the list to receive the first of the revised 300 gr. We won't forget about you and we won't replace these bullets until we are certain that we have resolved the issue.

    To All,

    We have conducted 3 separate and extensive tests on the 300 gr Hybrid. In each test our specific goal was to create the result of a realized BC that is lower than our .419 G7 BC. For each test, bullets were made using multiple configurations to deliberately test the extremes of our theories on possible root cause/s.

    Each configuration was shot at multiple velocities, COAL and pressures. We deliberately loaded ammo to produce the highest estimated pressures reasonably allowable for such shooting systems. We do not recommend that anyone try this at home (or anywhere else). In every attempt we were unable to produce a trajectory that was not consistent with a .419 G7 BC (or within a very small percentage).

    We are planning our next round of testing. When Bryan returns from Australia testing will resume. It is only a matter of time before we put the right combination together as we have eliminated many potential root causes.

    Having said that, it is important to relay that over 98% of those using the original version 300 gr Hybrid are also not experiencing the result of an observed drop that is inconsistent with a .419 G7 BC. This bullet is being proven by those who are using it as the most precise 338 cal bullet in existence particularly at the longest of ranges. It also holds the title of having the highest BC among all bullets in existence 338 cal or smaller. (For those not yet acclimated to G7 BC, the velocity range averaged G1 BC is .818)

    Those who are using it only need to understand that this level of performance is easily achievable at high velocity. If you find that you reach the point where poor performance is achieved simply go back down to the point where performance is as you should expect. I believe that if you run the numbers you will still achieve performance well above that which is possible by any other bullet.

    Another fact that we have proven through testing is that these bullets perform as expected in ballistic gelatin. We have yet to expand our testing to tissue but we are confident based on the results in gelatin that the current version of the 300 gr Hybrid will perform well as a game hunting bullet.

    Regards,
    Eric
     
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  11. timeless61

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    Kind of, they shot great up until a certain velocity depending where they were seated. They made the same hole bigger at 100 yards not really trying to shoot a group up until 2830 fps give or take a few fps. They were seated around .100 off the lands to work better in the rifle. Then Bryan had me seat them .030 off, and they worked until around 2870 again give or take some, and then started opening up a lot, like 1-2” group at 100 yards. I am shooting a 338 hart which is a 338-300 but I have a fairly generous throat, and a 34” barrel, that is where my extra velocity is coming from. With 300 smk’s I was shooting 2950, with single digit ES, and great accuracy and was still not showing visible pressure signs, but primer pockets were loosening some, still resistance, but not like new.

    The main reasons I wanted to try the bergers was, better BC and also more uniform bullets particularly meplats, the sierras are pretty rough sometimes.
     
  12. jmden

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    Thanks, Eric.

    So, just to be clear, the 'revised' 300 Hybrid--is there a measured 'top end' velocity for it that you guys have found yet where it starts having problems like the original? Just wondering of those of us that can push it at 3k plus are going to be able to or not.

    Predictions on the release of a 3K+ 300VLD?

    Jon
     
  13. phorwath

    phorwath Well-Known Member

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    +1 Nice to get a current status report!
     
  14. Eric Stecker

    Eric Stecker <b>SPONSOR</b>

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    At this time we do not know the root cause of this result and therefore don't have a solution allowing me to answer your first question. What I can tell you is that we understand that 338 cal is particularly unique regarding those who desire to push bullets hard.

    We get what you are working to accomplish. At the time we had no reason to believe the original version would not perform this function and we are receiving reports of those getting this velocity without accuracy or trajectory performance issues.

    We've learned a tremendous amount from our testing. We are narrowing in on the root cause. We know where we want to go with the testing but this takes time. I expect that we will have a solution by the end of the year but this is a guess based on many unknown results.

    Regards,
    Eric
     
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