300 Mag. v 7mm Mag. v .308

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  1. Sniper22

    Sniper22 New Member

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    I am currently interested in "custom building" a long range hunting rifle able to cleanly take down game ranging from javelina all the way up to elk. I want the gun to be accurate and retain enough impact velocity at distances all the way up to 1,000 yds to deliver a clean kill. I have been researching different calibers, ballistics tables, etc. and believe to have narrowed it down to these three calibers: .300 Mag, 7mm Mag, and .308 I live in Arizona and most often hunt javelina, whitetail and mule deer, elk, antelope, bighorn sheep and bear and want a gun that can essentially be used to hunt all these animals. Any advice would be very helpful! Thanks
     
  2. gremcat

    gremcat Well-Known Member

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    well .308 is out for elk and muleys.It wouldn't have enough energy at 1000 yds .I hunt with a 7rm and have taken everything up to bear all drt but I wouldn't push that to 1000 yds on anything I think the .300 is the minimum with .338 win mag up being more Ideal.I don't personally hunt at those distances being in nc .Hope this helps ,you are on a great site though and hopefully Len or Jerry will chime in .I know Jerry shoots a 7 rm so he can tell you better .It really depends on alot of things though .I always say shoot the biggest caliber you are comfortable with .If I can help anymore let me know.
     

  3. Coues Sniper

    Coues Sniper Well-Known Member

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    yep. 308 is out. Great cartridge, and very accurate, but not enough energy for elk anywhere near 1K. 300 RUM with some larger (like 210 grain) bullets could get you there. In 7mm, maybe a 7mm RUM or STW could with some 180 VLD's or 200 grain ULD's. Actually, the 7mm AM with the 200 grain Wildcat ULD's would be right in your wheelhouse. You'd still have PLENTY of power at 1000 yards for an elk with that cartridge. But, just having the power doesn't make it happen. You still have to have a rifle, and a driver behind it :D, capable of those kind of distances.
     
  4. dakor

    dakor Well-Known Member

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    A 7mm Mag with a high BC bullets will get the job done so will a 300win mag at 1000 yards on Elk. A 308 is running out of gas that far out. I think picking between the 7mm and the 300win is a personal choice.
     
  5. Sniper22

    Sniper22 New Member

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    I have hunted with a 7mm Remington Magnum for whitetail deer and shot one out at 400 yards so I'm sure that with much more practice and refinement further distances could be achieved. I have never shot a .300 Magnum and am wondering about the comparison of recoil? I am looking to put a Mil-Dot scope on whichever rifle I choose and have read that some larger calibers have an effect on the scope? I am used to doing my own reloading and feel that whichever caliber I choose I would be able to conjur up an appropriate load for different distances / game animals. Even though I want the caliber to be effective up to 1000 yds the majority of shots I have been presented with over the years have been between 300 and probably 750 yds. Also which specific brands would you suggest for both the 7mm and .300 Mag. I have noticed that the Remington model 700 looks to be a very high quality model?
     
  6. Jimm

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    "I have noticed that the Remington model 700 looks to be a very high quality model?"


    I cut and pasted that last bit of your post in order to preface my reply .

    I am not realllly sure where to start but here goes .......
    The "Remington 700 " is a good platform on which to build a 1000yd capable rifle . Please notice that I said " build " . Even though I am sure that one might find a factory 700 rifle that is / has the right stuff , the odds are against it happening. I must point out that I am automatically including the necessity of handloading for that rifle to reach that potential .

    If your goal is to have a 1000 yd capable rifle you should definitely consider having a custom rifle built . There are many competent smiths here on this website that can accomplish this for you . The Remington 700 action can certainly be used to that end .

    As far as caliber choice I am like Dakor , its strictly personal preference between the 300 winnie and the 7 mmRem mag as they are both equally capable . I , personally , am a fan of the ancient , yet revered , 300 Winchester magnum . Many good bullets out there for it and it is capable of 1/3 moa or better with proper handloading . However , one could say the same for the 7mm Remington magnum .

    jimmba
    Do you reload ? What is your current experience level ?
     
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  7. MontanaRifleman

    MontanaRifleman Well-Known Member

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    Have you considered the 300 RUM? In a 27" barrel you can easily expect it to push a 200 gr bullet at 3200 fps which would make a good 1000 yd cartridge.
     
  8. rem300ultra

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    1000 Yard Hunting Cartridge

    I agree with MontanaRifleman. I had a 300RUM built by Speedy Gonzales before he retired and It will push a 200 gr bullet at 3200 or a little better. It is a very accurate round.
     
  9. johnnyk

    johnnyk Well-Known Member

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    Sniper22,
    I've owned all three calibers at one time and killed deer with them. Savage 110 J Series/.308Win, Rem 700 Sendero/.300WinMag and 7mmRemMag. I currently own a Rem 700P in 7mmRM.
    Forget the .308. After owning it and then a .300WinMag, the .308 is anemic at long range (400+). There are plenty of people who will probably argue the point but look at the ballistics of the three cartridges.
    A few years back I was in the same situation as you are. I looked over the ballistics of the .300 and 7mag and decided that for what I needed (deer @ long range) the 7mag would do all I needed. It has never let me down.
    After shooting it (7mag) for several years, I had the urge to try the .300Win and it is an awesome round. I was living in NC and those little deer just didn't need all that killin'. The .300 will kill deer as far as you can see them, if you hold it on 'em. So will the 7mag with a little less recoil. Not a lot of difference there unless you push the .300 using the 180gn pill or heavier. For my purposes, I shot the 165gn Ballistic Tips.
    I killed a truck load of deer with the .300 and decided that it wasn't all that much better than the 7mag for deer. I got rid of it.
    Bottom line, either will do the job - if you are up to it. You decide. JohnnyK.
     
  10. Sniper22

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    I have looked at the .300 RUM but my only hesitation with it is too much power at closer that 1000 yd distances, for instance 300 to 500 yds, where there is a possibility of ruining good meat because of too much power at that close of range. For example on javelina, whitetail deer, and even antelope- animals which aren't that big bodied. I am wondering whether a 200gr. or even 220gr. handloaded round in a .300 Magnum would still be able to provide the necesssary power up to 1000 yds, yet still be able to be used for closer shots and not cause damage to the meat.
     
  11. Jimm

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    With whatever choice you make you can

    Always load different levels of " power " . The 300 winnie or the 7rem mag have sufficient energy at 1000 for elk . Run the ballistics numbers for a 190 gr. bullet with a .535 bc at 3070 fps . You can also get the 210 bullet weights running this same velocity with low es and sd .

    Thing is , you can not start out with what you will eventually consider to be the " best caliber choice " because as your experience grows you wil have different ideas about what you want .

    Jump in !! get your feet wet !! , then rue the day you ever laid eyes on this website !

    jimmba
     
  12. MontanaRifleman

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    I have a 7mm RM that I have hunted with for many years. It's a great rifle and should be able to deliver deer and elk at 750 yds. Elk at 1000 yds would be a different story. I think it's a little light for that. I also just got a 300 WSM and it would be a marginal 1000 yd rifle. The 300 WM with a 26 or 27 inch barrel (talking sporter carry rifle) would be just a little better than the 300 WSM for down range delivery. The 300 RUM will deliver a 200 gr bullet down range at about the same vel a 300 WM will deliver a 180 gr bullet and you need to consider the terminal performance of the bullet which depends on velocity and bullet construction.

    If you want more than a 750 yd capability, you are going to need velocity in these cartridges. So your concern about high velocity and meat damage apply to the 7mm and 300 WM also. Shot placement and bullet construction is key to not wasting meat. You want a bullet that stays intact such as an Accubond, E-Tip, TTSX, etc. If you shoot other than the boiler room, you're going to damage meat and if you use a fragmenting bullet you're going to damage more meat.

    You can delvelop more than one load, but IMO it isn't necessary. Pick a good bullet. For a 1000 yd *hunting* bullet, I personally think a 180 gr is marginal and bare minimum which is what a 300 WM will get you. A 300 RUM will get you there with a 200 gr bullet.

    If you don't have any plan to ever exceed 800 yds, go with the 300 WM. It's a great all around cartridge. My $.02
     
  13. keithcandler

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    I think that you ought to forget the 1000 yard thing...

    I lived and hunted in Az off of mules and horses for a long time. Can't even remember having to shoot over 400; horses and mules always spot game first.

    Once you start that extreme long range shooting over 500, you really complicate your life. Even at 500, you have to know your equipment extremely well.

    I hunted with a 7 Mag, 140g Ballistic tip and partition. Killed everything walking, one shot only; 400 was my longest shot on deer. Elk in Unit 6B were 200 yard shots. I shot pigs with 223 or 357 Mag, my horse always started snorting when we were close to pigs or bears; horse was my bird dog for pigs.
     
  14. TOM H

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    I hunt some fairly open country here in Co so my shots may be out to 500/700yd range so I might take the 300Wby or 300RUM for elk/deer and I think those calibers might be alittle overkill for antelope etc. I gave up long time ago trying to find the perfect caliber (one rifle) for all my hunting if I got drawn for a antelope tag this year I would of use the 270WSM. Just my .02