wernerpd
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Have you thought about a modular safe?
Any recommended gun safes? Liberty Revere 72 vs Cannon Wide Body 64??
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nickjandrews
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I like it, build some self-destructing trap guns for the slime to take. If you're not home when they try to break in, that is...
nickjandrews
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Just because I mow the grass with a 45 in holster...
Thats the advantage to going to a safe dealer as he can have it put anywhere it is possible to go.
If you buy at discount places you get to move it.
Safe's can be expensive but look at what it's protecting.My wife and I could not really afford a safe but we considered it as an investment and made a way to get it.
LRNut
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I think I read through all the comments.
No one mentioned having an alarm system. I have them in both of our houses. In AZ my safes are bolted to the concrete slab; the bolts were put in when the slab was poured. Both are mounted next to a wall so you cannot pry open the door.
Fire protection in AZ is a sprinkler system; I spoke with some firemen once and asked if they really work (I had no choice; over a certain size it is code in AZ to have them). The fireman said a sprinkler system is the very best fire protection you can have. One of my safes is fire rated; the other is not.
In CO I had a walk-in vault built. The door itself cost $6,000; the rest is concrete and rebar. If fits as many guns as I will ever want to own. I suppose if you had a concrete saw they could cut that away, but that house has an alarm system as well and ironically, the sheriff shows up faster in CO than the police in AZ. The walk in vault also can serve as a safe-room; once inside you can throw a lever that prevents opening the door even if the other party knows the combination.
If you are buying a house, I would highly recommend buying one that has a sprinkler system and a gated neighborhood. Gated neighborhoods have far less theft issues than ones that don't. Our house in AZ is in a gated community and we are in a Cul-de-sac; we tell each other when we will be gone. We also have a rule: if anyone pulls into the driveway while we are gone, notify us or investigate. In Tucson some years ago a pretty famous outdoor writer, now deceased, told me he was robbed by guys acting like landscappers. Two guys fired up the leaf blowers to make noise. A hunting guide in AZ who lives out of town told me his safe was bolted to the floor; no matter - the thieves put a steel cable around his safe and pulled it out with a truck, causing a lot of other damage to the house while doing so.
But the best advice I would give is get an alarm system! They work.
No one mentioned having an alarm system. I have them in both of our houses. In AZ my safes are bolted to the concrete slab; the bolts were put in when the slab was poured. Both are mounted next to a wall so you cannot pry open the door.
Fire protection in AZ is a sprinkler system; I spoke with some firemen once and asked if they really work (I had no choice; over a certain size it is code in AZ to have them). The fireman said a sprinkler system is the very best fire protection you can have. One of my safes is fire rated; the other is not.
In CO I had a walk-in vault built. The door itself cost $6,000; the rest is concrete and rebar. If fits as many guns as I will ever want to own. I suppose if you had a concrete saw they could cut that away, but that house has an alarm system as well and ironically, the sheriff shows up faster in CO than the police in AZ. The walk in vault also can serve as a safe-room; once inside you can throw a lever that prevents opening the door even if the other party knows the combination.
If you are buying a house, I would highly recommend buying one that has a sprinkler system and a gated neighborhood. Gated neighborhoods have far less theft issues than ones that don't. Our house in AZ is in a gated community and we are in a Cul-de-sac; we tell each other when we will be gone. We also have a rule: if anyone pulls into the driveway while we are gone, notify us or investigate. In Tucson some years ago a pretty famous outdoor writer, now deceased, told me he was robbed by guys acting like landscappers. Two guys fired up the leaf blowers to make noise. A hunting guide in AZ who lives out of town told me his safe was bolted to the floor; no matter - the thieves put a steel cable around his safe and pulled it out with a truck, causing a lot of other damage to the house while doing so.
But the best advice I would give is get an alarm system! They work.
LuvDog
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Yup. Like I mentioned I have tiers of security.
Alarm, cameras, etc. make your home a harder target. Most break ins are looking for the easy score, unlocked doors, no lights, and grab what they can and run out.
Get outside lights, cameras, loud dog, good door locks, etc. and most thieves will move to the easy target
And get extra insurance for your guns
Alarm, cameras, etc. make your home a harder target. Most break ins are looking for the easy score, unlocked doors, no lights, and grab what they can and run out.
Get outside lights, cameras, loud dog, good door locks, etc. and most thieves will move to the easy target
And get extra insurance for your guns
LRNut
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I forgot to mention cameras - thanks!
You are asking for a lot, pretty much impossible IMO at your price point.
I've been looking at a new RSC for over a year and everything I find that has what I want and it stout enough that I believe it will actually slow someone down starts at $3,000.
I hope you find what you look for but from what I've seen unless you look at the used market you have a long road ahead of you.
I've been looking at a new RSC for over a year and everything I find that has what I want and it stout enough that I believe it will actually slow someone down starts at $3,000.
I hope you find what you look for but from what I've seen unless you look at the used market you have a long road ahead of you.
Dr. Vette
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Amsec BF 7240
1585#
I could get way off down a rabbit trail on safes, but will try and stick to the original question. Keep an eye on Craigslist, estate sales, and maybe even EBay for an old UL rated, legitimate safe. I got a Mosler that, best I can figure, was built in the 1960's, UL t-20 burglary and B fire rated for like $900. Oddly enough, around the time I was looking, there were several within 200 miles of me that would have worked. The guy I bought it from was more open to negotiation than the others, but any of them would have been a steal. A little time cleaning it up, carpeting the inside and building racks, and functionally it's great. Not as pretty as a new one, as it has some scratches and chips in the paint, but for the difference in cost from a new one that's similarly sized and rated, I can live with it. A new safe like it would be $7500+…
Varmint Hunter
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My thoughts on SPENDING THE MONEY on a high quality safe:
I initially intended to get an insurance rider on my homeowner's policy to insure my firearms. Based on a few quotes that I received, it would cost almost 10% (annually) of the value of whatever I wanted to insure. That would mean that in the first 10 years I would have paid out so much money to insure the firearms that I could have bought them all again. That didn't make any sense to me.
Looking for a high quality safe was an eye opener too because the safes were $4,000 and up. My wife and I discussed spending that much money on a safe and we agreed that the loss of a single custom rifle would exceed the cost of a safe which could hold nearly every firearm I owned. That clearly made a lot of sense to us both.
Now, about 15 years later; I saved a ton of money by not giving it to the insurance company, the safe still looks brand new and it remains a rather pleasant focal point in the room. And when I drop dead my wife can liquidate my collection and sell the safe for more money than I paid.
Take the plunge and SPEND THE MONEY! LOL
I initially intended to get an insurance rider on my homeowner's policy to insure my firearms. Based on a few quotes that I received, it would cost almost 10% (annually) of the value of whatever I wanted to insure. That would mean that in the first 10 years I would have paid out so much money to insure the firearms that I could have bought them all again. That didn't make any sense to me.
Looking for a high quality safe was an eye opener too because the safes were $4,000 and up. My wife and I discussed spending that much money on a safe and we agreed that the loss of a single custom rifle would exceed the cost of a safe which could hold nearly every firearm I owned. That clearly made a lot of sense to us both.
Now, about 15 years later; I saved a ton of money by not giving it to the insurance company, the safe still looks brand new and it remains a rather pleasant focal point in the room. And when I drop dead my wife can liquidate my collection and sell the safe for more money than I paid.
Take the plunge and SPEND THE MONEY! LOL
Sealesniper
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I would suggest you increase your budget a little. If you want them safe and allow you to have peace of mind, spend it now and do it right. Over a life time, and depeding on what value of guns and other things you store, it is a small amouint of an investment to sleep well.
Don't the safes with electronic keypads also have key locks? Mine does.
