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<blockquote data-quote="Scot E" data-source="post: 581216" data-attributes="member: 10832"><p>I don't necessarily disagree with anything you said. The issue comes when the feds refuse to allow the States to manage an extremely efficient predator in an UNNATURAL setting where food population numbers are intentionally bolstered compared to what they would be in a true non-human interventionist world. States chose to artificially prop up big game numbers so it citizenry could enjoy the wildlife in the form of hunting, viewing, food, etc. It is a large segment of many Western State's GDP. Now an unmanaged predator is growing at an astronomical rate and is taking a major toll on the big game herds. If the States don't get control soon this not only ends badly for hunters, wildlife lovers, and the big game animals but also for the wolf. What is going to happen when they run out of food? They will eat anything they can which will bring more conflict and eventually their numbers will have to fall way off to balance things out. A real mess all the way around simply because States are not being allowed to manage them. It took Idaho almost 40 years to get elk numbers where they were in 1990. I really don't want to start that process over just because of government politics and bureaucracy. States currently manage bears and cats. Why is it exactly that they can't manage wolves? </p><p></p><p>Now for some minor disagreements. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> The primary reasons wolf numbers were driven down wasn't because of the fear of human attacks. It was in large part due to the attempt to lower predator numbers so big game populations could grow and so ranching operations could be more successful. I personally don't have an issue with this line of thinking. And in general the State wildlife agencies have done a very good job of managing wildlife. </p><p></p><p>Also, this whole notion of endangered is bunkus. We had wolves in Idaho prior to the reintroduction, even though they sure weren't the size of the wolves we have now. I saw them a few times in the Sawtooths. Alaska has them. Minnesota has them. Canada has them by the thousands. So the question comes as to why the big push? Americans don't like having this kind of thing shoved down our throats, especially when the real reasons behind it are being hidden and we are sold the "endangered" BS. There is a lot more behind this push than it seems on the surface. And the almighty dollar is at the very top. When you see the statistics on these wolf advocate groups it is simply staggering how much money they bring in and how little of it actually gets used to help the wolf! </p><p></p><p>Also, they do a lot more than just kill the sick. I have seen first hand multiple kills where less than 10% of the animals was eaten. There is a lot of joy killing going on unfortunately. </p><p></p><p>Scot E.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scot E, post: 581216, member: 10832"] I don't necessarily disagree with anything you said. The issue comes when the feds refuse to allow the States to manage an extremely efficient predator in an UNNATURAL setting where food population numbers are intentionally bolstered compared to what they would be in a true non-human interventionist world. States chose to artificially prop up big game numbers so it citizenry could enjoy the wildlife in the form of hunting, viewing, food, etc. It is a large segment of many Western State's GDP. Now an unmanaged predator is growing at an astronomical rate and is taking a major toll on the big game herds. If the States don't get control soon this not only ends badly for hunters, wildlife lovers, and the big game animals but also for the wolf. What is going to happen when they run out of food? They will eat anything they can which will bring more conflict and eventually their numbers will have to fall way off to balance things out. A real mess all the way around simply because States are not being allowed to manage them. It took Idaho almost 40 years to get elk numbers where they were in 1990. I really don't want to start that process over just because of government politics and bureaucracy. States currently manage bears and cats. Why is it exactly that they can't manage wolves? Now for some minor disagreements. :) The primary reasons wolf numbers were driven down wasn't because of the fear of human attacks. It was in large part due to the attempt to lower predator numbers so big game populations could grow and so ranching operations could be more successful. I personally don't have an issue with this line of thinking. And in general the State wildlife agencies have done a very good job of managing wildlife. Also, this whole notion of endangered is bunkus. We had wolves in Idaho prior to the reintroduction, even though they sure weren't the size of the wolves we have now. I saw them a few times in the Sawtooths. Alaska has them. Minnesota has them. Canada has them by the thousands. So the question comes as to why the big push? Americans don't like having this kind of thing shoved down our throats, especially when the real reasons behind it are being hidden and we are sold the "endangered" BS. There is a lot more behind this push than it seems on the surface. And the almighty dollar is at the very top. When you see the statistics on these wolf advocate groups it is simply staggering how much money they bring in and how little of it actually gets used to help the wolf! Also, they do a lot more than just kill the sick. I have seen first hand multiple kills where less than 10% of the animals was eaten. There is a lot of joy killing going on unfortunately. Scot E. [/QUOTE]
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