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<blockquote data-quote="drahthaar" data-source="post: 610982" data-attributes="member: 29893"><p>MV, McKenzie Valley. I don't mean you. I just read about 7 different forums and that is what keeps getting mentioned, that these non native wolves are 3x bigger or weigh 200 pounds. I know you see it, don't play me.</p><p> </p><p>I have no intent so to speak. I just don't take everything I read as gospel without doing a little reading on my own. I find it interesting how many will take the word of one phD over the word of another because they just agree with their position. Many many guys on hunting forums discredit any govt. official or biologist and their numbers, or studies, etc, when they disagree with their position, but then find a few guys like in that link(which I have read before) and hang onto it as total gospel.</p><p> </p><p>I just like discussion.</p><p> </p><p>Yes, I read all your links. And that is what I was trying to explain. Similar SUBSPECIES will act, live, eat, etc very differently in different ecosystems. Wolves out on the tundra living next to thousands of caribou, vs, wolves running around in the jungle brush of NW MT, I argue that if you just swap a pack from here and drop it there, it can and will change immediately to the environment. It wouldn't take long, if you dropped irremotus in the MV with lots of food, they would grow larger, have bigger litters, etc within a couple generations. Canids have the ability to have smaller litters when food is scarce and visa versa. Here is one study, it is a known phenomenon.</p><p><a href="http://www.arctic-predators.uit.no/biblio_IPYappl/TannerfeldtOikos98%20litter%20size%20arctic%20fox.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.arctic-predators.uit.no/biblio_IPYappl/TannerfeldtOikos98 litter size arctic fox.pdf</a></p><p> </p><p>Also, if you take a McKenzie Valley pack, drop it in NW MT, it will quickly disperse and start taking a lot of time digging bunnies out of brushpiles and holes, because game is so few and far between comparatively.</p><p> </p><p>Here is one link I read a couple years ago, when one of the local politicians that was running for election tried to bring up E. granulosus, scaring the hell out of all the soccer moms in the area. I started reading about the disease, its prevalence worldwide, and how possible it was to get this affliction. Treatments, etc.</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.jwildlifedis.org/content/45/4/1208.full" target="_blank">Echinococcus granulosus in Gray Wolves and Ungulates in Idaho and Montana, USA</a></p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/parasites/echinococcosis/gen_info/ce-faqs.html" target="_blank">CDC - Echinococcosis - General Information - Cystic Echinococcosis (CE) Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs)</a></p><p> </p><p>I don't have links to say there were packs of wolves here before introduction. All I can say is I grew up in Eureka and walked around in a lot of wolf tracks around Fortine, Trego, Pinkham, etc. sp's word seems to be good enough for folks here.</p><p>Here is an article that mentions the Pleasant Valley pack in Marion in 1989.</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.class.uidaho.edu/kpgeorge/issues/wolves_reintroduction/reintroduction_recolonization.htm" target="_blank">Wolf Reintroduction: How the Wolves Came Back - Natural Recolonization</a></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>You are probably confused because while I think we should have been hunting them long ago, I just don't fall in line with the thinking of every anti wolf dude on the internet.</p><p>In saying that, I guess, my intent is to get people to look at the east kootenai elk herd in s.e. BC. I put up a whole bunch of links in the "end the quotas" thread about them. I just see the Canadians literally doubling their elk herd there, enjoying incredible hunting in the face of these superduty CANADIAN wolves. Go there and read it. Then explain to me how they can do so well just across the 49th parallel. Nobody seems to want to acknowledge what they have done. I have put that out there many places and in many conversations. So, yeah, I guess my intent is to get our game agencies and land agencies to look at them and see what they are doing. Obviously something right. I see no reason why we can't have the same. We have the same wolves they do.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="drahthaar, post: 610982, member: 29893"] MV, McKenzie Valley. I don't mean you. I just read about 7 different forums and that is what keeps getting mentioned, that these non native wolves are 3x bigger or weigh 200 pounds. I know you see it, don't play me. I have no intent so to speak. I just don't take everything I read as gospel without doing a little reading on my own. I find it interesting how many will take the word of one phD over the word of another because they just agree with their position. Many many guys on hunting forums discredit any govt. official or biologist and their numbers, or studies, etc, when they disagree with their position, but then find a few guys like in that link(which I have read before) and hang onto it as total gospel. I just like discussion. Yes, I read all your links. And that is what I was trying to explain. Similar SUBSPECIES will act, live, eat, etc very differently in different ecosystems. Wolves out on the tundra living next to thousands of caribou, vs, wolves running around in the jungle brush of NW MT, I argue that if you just swap a pack from here and drop it there, it can and will change immediately to the environment. It wouldn't take long, if you dropped irremotus in the MV with lots of food, they would grow larger, have bigger litters, etc within a couple generations. Canids have the ability to have smaller litters when food is scarce and visa versa. Here is one study, it is a known phenomenon. [URL]http://www.arctic-predators.uit.no/biblio_IPYappl/TannerfeldtOikos98%20litter%20size%20arctic%20fox.pdf[/URL] Also, if you take a McKenzie Valley pack, drop it in NW MT, it will quickly disperse and start taking a lot of time digging bunnies out of brushpiles and holes, because game is so few and far between comparatively. Here is one link I read a couple years ago, when one of the local politicians that was running for election tried to bring up E. granulosus, scaring the hell out of all the soccer moms in the area. I started reading about the disease, its prevalence worldwide, and how possible it was to get this affliction. Treatments, etc. [url=http://www.jwildlifedis.org/content/45/4/1208.full]Echinococcus granulosus in Gray Wolves and Ungulates in Idaho and Montana, USA[/url] [url=http://www.cdc.gov/parasites/echinococcosis/gen_info/ce-faqs.html]CDC - Echinococcosis - General Information - Cystic Echinococcosis (CE) Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs)[/url] I don't have links to say there were packs of wolves here before introduction. All I can say is I grew up in Eureka and walked around in a lot of wolf tracks around Fortine, Trego, Pinkham, etc. sp's word seems to be good enough for folks here. Here is an article that mentions the Pleasant Valley pack in Marion in 1989. [url=http://www.class.uidaho.edu/kpgeorge/issues/wolves_reintroduction/reintroduction_recolonization.htm]Wolf Reintroduction: How the Wolves Came Back - Natural Recolonization[/url] You are probably confused because while I think we should have been hunting them long ago, I just don't fall in line with the thinking of every anti wolf dude on the internet. In saying that, I guess, my intent is to get people to look at the east kootenai elk herd in s.e. BC. I put up a whole bunch of links in the "end the quotas" thread about them. I just see the Canadians literally doubling their elk herd there, enjoying incredible hunting in the face of these superduty CANADIAN wolves. Go there and read it. Then explain to me how they can do so well just across the 49th parallel. Nobody seems to want to acknowledge what they have done. I have put that out there many places and in many conversations. So, yeah, I guess my intent is to get our game agencies and land agencies to look at them and see what they are doing. Obviously something right. I see no reason why we can't have the same. We have the same wolves they do. [/QUOTE]
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