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<blockquote data-quote="freddiej" data-source="post: 1856478" data-attributes="member: 26227"><p>I did, not before 2001, think that wildcats were good. nothing told me or showed me that wildcats could fill a niche with me. nothing but factory adopted loads would due for me. well that all stopped in 2001. I was a Freshman gunsmithing student, a Montana hunting guide, and I was wholly irate at the cult behind the 7mm R/M. I was so hot under the collar at these people I built a cartridge and rifle just to give them the largest middle finger possible. At the ranch all I saw was Rem 700's Rem 700 clones chambered in 7MM-R/M. when I asked why the 700/7MM-R/M combo they all stated the same thing, "It's the only cartridge that can kill an Elk effectively." By mid season I was disgusted with the Rem 700 and the 7MM-R/M. So, I went totally wild with doing everything opposite from these entranced cult members. I had built a Win 70 action built with a 7MM-R/M necked down to 277, fluted barrel, oiled wood stock, S&B 4-16 X 50MM scope. In doing so I wildcatted my self into filling a niche that I think was only filled by the 270 Weatherby (a cartridge that I thought was a complete waste of powder and time) well my wildcat was a 7MM R/M necked down 0.007" to 0.277". I could use the same powders and pretty much be equal or better than the 7 R/M. the gun hung on the wall of the lodge for that first season.. after that it was in my hands each and every hunt I guided. Moose and Brown Bear warrented a wee bit bigger caliber 0.338" and 0.458". I learned something that year.. never allow my own way of thinking to box me in to seeing things through only my own eyes. that is why I may dislike certain calibers, and cartridges.. but I know other cartridges/wildcats are filling someone's need, form factor, and purpose. It may not be mine but it is theirs. I still may speak out against the things I do not like but I do understand those people that must have the newest, hottest, and newest form factor drive and make innovations to this industry. I have been looking at the 300 PRC and I do not like it much, BUT I like certain things about it.. the case for one. and I was thinking how great it would be if it was extended in the neck and necked down to a 0.227".. then the 27 Nosler came out.. now I am so happy. I am going to build a 27 Nosler or take a 28 Nosler and neck it down, use a 1:8" or 1:7" twist barrel and make another really nice 270 long range gun. hate mail I know I will get aside.. I still would rather have a 277 than a 284. I would rather have a 257 than a 264. a 321 rather than a 8MM. Personal preference. if you all like other things.. be my guest make what you want, innovate, bring this industry glory and fame. make sure that I have plenty of cases to alter to make things you will absolutely either hate or have a "DUH!" moment. </p><p>To the 7mm R/M guys out there.. could you do me a huge favor.. if there is what you think is a 7MM-R/M Winchester Mod-70 W/fluted barrel that will not chamber a factory cartridge.. could you see if the barrel (left side near the receiver) says, "277-7MM R/M" or "270 H-Mag". I am sure it has been frustrating the Cult for 15 years now. if you could let me know when it is found.. I would like it back. thank you all.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="freddiej, post: 1856478, member: 26227"] I did, not before 2001, think that wildcats were good. nothing told me or showed me that wildcats could fill a niche with me. nothing but factory adopted loads would due for me. well that all stopped in 2001. I was a Freshman gunsmithing student, a Montana hunting guide, and I was wholly irate at the cult behind the 7mm R/M. I was so hot under the collar at these people I built a cartridge and rifle just to give them the largest middle finger possible. At the ranch all I saw was Rem 700's Rem 700 clones chambered in 7MM-R/M. when I asked why the 700/7MM-R/M combo they all stated the same thing, "It's the only cartridge that can kill an Elk effectively." By mid season I was disgusted with the Rem 700 and the 7MM-R/M. So, I went totally wild with doing everything opposite from these entranced cult members. I had built a Win 70 action built with a 7MM-R/M necked down to 277, fluted barrel, oiled wood stock, S&B 4-16 X 50MM scope. In doing so I wildcatted my self into filling a niche that I think was only filled by the 270 Weatherby (a cartridge that I thought was a complete waste of powder and time) well my wildcat was a 7MM R/M necked down 0.007" to 0.277". I could use the same powders and pretty much be equal or better than the 7 R/M. the gun hung on the wall of the lodge for that first season.. after that it was in my hands each and every hunt I guided. Moose and Brown Bear warrented a wee bit bigger caliber 0.338" and 0.458". I learned something that year.. never allow my own way of thinking to box me in to seeing things through only my own eyes. that is why I may dislike certain calibers, and cartridges.. but I know other cartridges/wildcats are filling someone's need, form factor, and purpose. It may not be mine but it is theirs. I still may speak out against the things I do not like but I do understand those people that must have the newest, hottest, and newest form factor drive and make innovations to this industry. I have been looking at the 300 PRC and I do not like it much, BUT I like certain things about it.. the case for one. and I was thinking how great it would be if it was extended in the neck and necked down to a 0.227".. then the 27 Nosler came out.. now I am so happy. I am going to build a 27 Nosler or take a 28 Nosler and neck it down, use a 1:8" or 1:7" twist barrel and make another really nice 270 long range gun. hate mail I know I will get aside.. I still would rather have a 277 than a 284. I would rather have a 257 than a 264. a 321 rather than a 8MM. Personal preference. if you all like other things.. be my guest make what you want, innovate, bring this industry glory and fame. make sure that I have plenty of cases to alter to make things you will absolutely either hate or have a "DUH!" moment. To the 7mm R/M guys out there.. could you do me a huge favor.. if there is what you think is a 7MM-R/M Winchester Mod-70 W/fluted barrel that will not chamber a factory cartridge.. could you see if the barrel (left side near the receiver) says, "277-7MM R/M" or "270 H-Mag". I am sure it has been frustrating the Cult for 15 years now. if you could let me know when it is found.. I would like it back. thank you all. [/QUOTE]
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