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Why use a carbon wrapped barel?
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<blockquote data-quote="tacomHQ" data-source="post: 2072784" data-attributes="member: 67159"><p>I guess in rough terms you can say it is internally fluted. </p><p>Fluting reduces "strength" as it creates a smaller minor diameter. You can argue that the side walls of the flute can increase rigidity and they will at some value. If you are talking minor cords "no". The minor cord value of a flute also only adds minimal surface area. I can provide the math samples for that if requested. </p><p>At some point if you have a vertical wall in a flute the potential to add strength could be present. However the minor diameter has been drastically reduced. The "twisting moment (failure) becomes much more severe. </p><p>Our barrels can be looked at in two manners from a simple structure standpoint. </p><p>1) It is a series of "I" beams wrapped around the bore. Remember our barrels are one piece devices and have no interface "joints". These "I" beams are contained within their own tube. </p><p>2) It is a series of "tubes". As one tube is stressed one side is compressed and one side is tensioned. The tube on the opposite side of the barrel will be stressed at a 180deg phase: tensioned and compressed. </p><p>3) We carry a much larger OD on average. As we all know a tube of equal weight to a solid bar is at least 30% stronger. </p><p>The common thread of question on the forums "why aren't they being used?". </p><p>Barrel guys have asked the same question even noting when asked " its snake oil". </p><p>However using the "flatlander" as a comparison: all steel should be round rods. No other shape should exists. </p><p>Also- every barrel manufacturer started somewhere and at an early point the same question could be asked. </p><p>We are not "making " the barrel. Bartlein, Kreiger, Brux, Benchmark, Lija all make the barrels. We enhance the form. Our approach is different than any other barrel previous- which makes it questionable. When we challenge someone to a "shooting contest" it is out of confidence and to learn- maybe a bit of bravado too. If our barrel does not outperform the other barrel in every measure it will be a "why?". </p><p>A quote from a top F1 team "from what we have just experienced this afternoon give it two or three years if you are not shooting this type of barrel you won't be in the top". Big words for us to live up to. </p><p>However using cars as an example; if I could give you and instant 10% gain in any major aspect .. HP, torque, suspension, road holding (all components) what would you pay? At what level of competition is it worth the dollar investment? </p><p>If we can double your competitive shot string?</p><p>If we can reduce your 1000yd average group size by 10%?</p><p>If your SD and ES values drop by 10%? This is not only documented </p><p>Life of barrel increases? </p><p>A gain in range flexibility - reduced left right throw- on any given day and situation? </p><p>Reduced load work up? </p><p>There are a lot of "one hole barrels/guns". How do you improve on one hole. By addressing all of the other criteria that describes how to put a round on target and making it useable and repeatable. </p><p></p><p>Thank all of you for asking a few questions. Most of you did not know we existed. As noted "starting somewhere" is a good thing.</p><p>Take a look at our YouTube : 90% are from third party testimony. I can say that we fall outside - in a good way- what is expected from a barrel. </p><p></p><p>NOTE: we did not make these barrels for todays rounds. This is step one. Our next generation will be a much larger leap forward. They just happen to perform with todays rounds very well.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tacomHQ, post: 2072784, member: 67159"] I guess in rough terms you can say it is internally fluted. Fluting reduces "strength" as it creates a smaller minor diameter. You can argue that the side walls of the flute can increase rigidity and they will at some value. If you are talking minor cords "no". The minor cord value of a flute also only adds minimal surface area. I can provide the math samples for that if requested. At some point if you have a vertical wall in a flute the potential to add strength could be present. However the minor diameter has been drastically reduced. The "twisting moment (failure) becomes much more severe. Our barrels can be looked at in two manners from a simple structure standpoint. 1) It is a series of "I" beams wrapped around the bore. Remember our barrels are one piece devices and have no interface "joints". These "I" beams are contained within their own tube. 2) It is a series of "tubes". As one tube is stressed one side is compressed and one side is tensioned. The tube on the opposite side of the barrel will be stressed at a 180deg phase: tensioned and compressed. 3) We carry a much larger OD on average. As we all know a tube of equal weight to a solid bar is at least 30% stronger. The common thread of question on the forums "why aren't they being used?". Barrel guys have asked the same question even noting when asked " its snake oil". However using the "flatlander" as a comparison: all steel should be round rods. No other shape should exists. Also- every barrel manufacturer started somewhere and at an early point the same question could be asked. We are not "making " the barrel. Bartlein, Kreiger, Brux, Benchmark, Lija all make the barrels. We enhance the form. Our approach is different than any other barrel previous- which makes it questionable. When we challenge someone to a "shooting contest" it is out of confidence and to learn- maybe a bit of bravado too. If our barrel does not outperform the other barrel in every measure it will be a "why?". A quote from a top F1 team "from what we have just experienced this afternoon give it two or three years if you are not shooting this type of barrel you won't be in the top". Big words for us to live up to. However using cars as an example; if I could give you and instant 10% gain in any major aspect .. HP, torque, suspension, road holding (all components) what would you pay? At what level of competition is it worth the dollar investment? If we can double your competitive shot string? If we can reduce your 1000yd average group size by 10%? If your SD and ES values drop by 10%? This is not only documented Life of barrel increases? A gain in range flexibility - reduced left right throw- on any given day and situation? Reduced load work up? There are a lot of "one hole barrels/guns". How do you improve on one hole. By addressing all of the other criteria that describes how to put a round on target and making it useable and repeatable. Thank all of you for asking a few questions. Most of you did not know we existed. As noted "starting somewhere" is a good thing. Take a look at our YouTube : 90% are from third party testimony. I can say that we fall outside - in a good way- what is expected from a barrel. NOTE: we did not make these barrels for todays rounds. This is step one. Our next generation will be a much larger leap forward. They just happen to perform with todays rounds very well. [/QUOTE]
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