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Why the 7mm Rem Mag?
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<blockquote data-quote="Teri Anne" data-source="post: 2296578" data-attributes="member: 118816"><p>Well I shoot a lot, mostly conventional loads. I have a pretty good feel for recoil and most conventional loads do not bother me, my shoulder has toughened to the point where it accepts most recoil...that is until one gets into the magnums. Many years ago I bought a new major brand rifle chambered for the 300 WIN MAG to play around with not only for long range competition but with thoughts of maybe going Elk, Moose and Big Bear hunting also. As I always did, even back then tried different combinations of factory and hand loads in an attempt to shoot a cloverleaf at 100 yards. It was never to be. I tried every thing I could think of, bedding, checking the float on an already floated barrel and any variety of different cases, primers, powders and bullets from 165 gr up to 200 gr. Even with a recoil pad the only thing that I discovered was my shoulder did not like this rifle and no matter what could not get a group smaller than 2 1/4 inches. In other words, the rifle would not shoot and without additional padding was not only uncomfortable to shoot, but was downright painful. Well that rifle went down the road, a guy going out to Colorado to hunt Elk bought it and took a nice bull with one shot at what he estimated 200 yards. Several years ago a close friend of mine won a Winchester Model 70 in 7MM REM MAG at a raffle. We took it out to shoot it and his comment was that it kicked like a mule. I shot it and he was correct, the recoil was every bit as bad as the 300 WIN MAG. Since this was going to be a Deer rifle the ammo was Federal Premium in 140 gr Nosler Partition which was and still is my preferred choice of a bullet for deer sized animals. The best he could do was 3" at 100 yards. When I shot, knowing that it was going to kick like a mule and had no preconceived notions caused by a macho image that I could handle the recoil I chose to add an additional layer of padding via a shoulder pad that was held in place by strapping it to my bra strap. Net result was, 1 - Yup kicked like a mule but with the additional padding was not at all painful. 2. Shot a 3 shot group that measured 0.710 inches, 3 inches right and 4 inches low. Made an adjustment to the scope and fired another 3 shot group, this time the group was even smaller at 0.068 and now dead center and 1 1/2 inches high. Decided that for him to shoot this rifle it was going to need a muzzle brake. He took it up to Wilderness Fish & Game up in Sauk City and had them install a muzzle brake. With the new muzzle brake installed the recoil was tamed down to around what a .308 would be shooting 200 gr bullets. Very nice, very manageable and he was able to shoot less than 1 MOA groups. That rifle has taken several deer over the years, one out at 320 yards verified with a range finder. So getting back to the original question and my answer is there is little difference. They both do what is expected of them with the right ammo for the intended target and proper shot placement. Oh and by the way, I recently purchased a Browning AB3 in 300 Win Mag, wood stock, 26 inch barrel, but that is something for another post at another time.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Teri Anne, post: 2296578, member: 118816"] Well I shoot a lot, mostly conventional loads. I have a pretty good feel for recoil and most conventional loads do not bother me, my shoulder has toughened to the point where it accepts most recoil...that is until one gets into the magnums. Many years ago I bought a new major brand rifle chambered for the 300 WIN MAG to play around with not only for long range competition but with thoughts of maybe going Elk, Moose and Big Bear hunting also. As I always did, even back then tried different combinations of factory and hand loads in an attempt to shoot a cloverleaf at 100 yards. It was never to be. I tried every thing I could think of, bedding, checking the float on an already floated barrel and any variety of different cases, primers, powders and bullets from 165 gr up to 200 gr. Even with a recoil pad the only thing that I discovered was my shoulder did not like this rifle and no matter what could not get a group smaller than 2 1/4 inches. In other words, the rifle would not shoot and without additional padding was not only uncomfortable to shoot, but was downright painful. Well that rifle went down the road, a guy going out to Colorado to hunt Elk bought it and took a nice bull with one shot at what he estimated 200 yards. Several years ago a close friend of mine won a Winchester Model 70 in 7MM REM MAG at a raffle. We took it out to shoot it and his comment was that it kicked like a mule. I shot it and he was correct, the recoil was every bit as bad as the 300 WIN MAG. Since this was going to be a Deer rifle the ammo was Federal Premium in 140 gr Nosler Partition which was and still is my preferred choice of a bullet for deer sized animals. The best he could do was 3" at 100 yards. When I shot, knowing that it was going to kick like a mule and had no preconceived notions caused by a macho image that I could handle the recoil I chose to add an additional layer of padding via a shoulder pad that was held in place by strapping it to my bra strap. Net result was, 1 - Yup kicked like a mule but with the additional padding was not at all painful. 2. Shot a 3 shot group that measured 0.710 inches, 3 inches right and 4 inches low. Made an adjustment to the scope and fired another 3 shot group, this time the group was even smaller at 0.068 and now dead center and 1 1/2 inches high. Decided that for him to shoot this rifle it was going to need a muzzle brake. He took it up to Wilderness Fish & Game up in Sauk City and had them install a muzzle brake. With the new muzzle brake installed the recoil was tamed down to around what a .308 would be shooting 200 gr bullets. Very nice, very manageable and he was able to shoot less than 1 MOA groups. That rifle has taken several deer over the years, one out at 320 yards verified with a range finder. So getting back to the original question and my answer is there is little difference. They both do what is expected of them with the right ammo for the intended target and proper shot placement. Oh and by the way, I recently purchased a Browning AB3 in 300 Win Mag, wood stock, 26 inch barrel, but that is something for another post at another time. [/QUOTE]
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