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Why no consensus...holding forend and bipod to bag
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<blockquote data-quote="Barrelnut" data-source="post: 1302466" data-attributes="member: 74902"><p>True. He is sloppy. The ears on the rear bag are not even aligned with the rifle which is probably causing some deflection. He also does not have a firm grip on the rifle and probably almost no cheek pressure. Once the rifle rises some, it naturally torques left.</p><p></p><p>Now watch the second shooter in the vid. (2:10 into the vid) This guy is good. He has discipline, he may be military trained. He does not even use a rear bag! He uses crossed arms and grips the rifle into the arm pit. Kinda like using a stock with a butt hook. notice the rifle does not rise. So the bipod doesn't jump and the rifle does not torque left. He is drilling the target dead center. He is exerting control on the rifle, it is not controlling him.</p><p></p><p>If you think about it, when not controlling the forearm, the shooter only controlling the rifle from one extreme end of the rifle. The rifle generates a lot of force and torque and acts like a lever. When you hold the forearm on a high recoiling rifle you are taking much of it's leverage away since you now control it in two points.</p><p></p><p>Gale McMillan actually shoots in the field with his hand on top or the scope. Seen him do it in videos. He is controlling jump and torque that way.</p><p></p><p>So, I don't see someone who holds the forearm, doesn't use a rear bag, holds the top of the scope, or uses downward pressure with a sling, as an ill informed LR shooter with bad form. They may actually be very experienced tack drivers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Barrelnut, post: 1302466, member: 74902"] True. He is sloppy. The ears on the rear bag are not even aligned with the rifle which is probably causing some deflection. He also does not have a firm grip on the rifle and probably almost no cheek pressure. Once the rifle rises some, it naturally torques left. Now watch the second shooter in the vid. (2:10 into the vid) This guy is good. He has discipline, he may be military trained. He does not even use a rear bag! He uses crossed arms and grips the rifle into the arm pit. Kinda like using a stock with a butt hook. notice the rifle does not rise. So the bipod doesn't jump and the rifle does not torque left. He is drilling the target dead center. He is exerting control on the rifle, it is not controlling him. If you think about it, when not controlling the forearm, the shooter only controlling the rifle from one extreme end of the rifle. The rifle generates a lot of force and torque and acts like a lever. When you hold the forearm on a high recoiling rifle you are taking much of it's leverage away since you now control it in two points. Gale McMillan actually shoots in the field with his hand on top or the scope. Seen him do it in videos. He is controlling jump and torque that way. So, I don't see someone who holds the forearm, doesn't use a rear bag, holds the top of the scope, or uses downward pressure with a sling, as an ill informed LR shooter with bad form. They may actually be very experienced tack drivers. [/QUOTE]
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