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Why I think the Satterlee and Audette Ladder Tests Work and Why-- You Decide!
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<blockquote data-quote="Peter Van Dyke" data-source="post: 2444088" data-attributes="member: 112882"><p>I've been lurking this forum for maybe fifteen years. When I was a kid I had some amazing experiences hunting with my father in Argentina and California. The hunting we did in Argentina was was wasted perhaps on a 10 year old kid at the time. Youth truly is wasted on the young. Nearly as amazing as our experiences in Argentina were I also used to walk from our home in California across the UC Berkeley campus near South Gate to a shooting range under Harmon Gym near South Gate carrying a .22 bolt action rifle over my shoulder several; times a week. I'd like to try that today. At that time shooting was easy. That to say that I hit what I was aiming at with ease. I quit shooting. I probably discovered girls or some such. Over fifty years passed before I started shooting again. My son became interested in shooting and watching him brought back fond memories. I had never shot a hand gun before. He and I went to a local shop and I bought a 1911 45 auto. I brought it home got a cardboard box and went down to the pasture with gun and box. I put the box on the ground paced off thirty paces. I couldn't hit that box to save my sole. I found this disillusioning. I consulted friends who shoot and it was suggested I get closer to the box. Thus began my renewed interest in shooting. My goal since then has been to hit what I am aiming at. I had no knowledge of hand loading. I was not aware such a thing was possible. I was raised under a roof where scientific methodology ruled. Trouble ensued were it discovered we might have designed or executed an experiment sloppily. Hand loading was utterly new to me. I brought little baggage with me. My approach from the beginning has been to fashion a cartridge perfectly (or at least consistently). This has turned out to be no easy task. My rudimentary understanding of the physics of internal ballistics coupled with my fixation on constants and variables toward discovering a way to hand load without depending on the forgiveness of sweet spots. My progress toward that goal gives pleasure and hope that I might get close enough to give me satisfaction. While I understand the value of seeking sweet spots, plateaus, nodes and the like, I will employ them when I run out of options. This my own personal rabbit hole. I don't recommend it to anyone. I am enjoying the journey. When I saw this thread I though I would enlist this venerable group to disabuse me my self constraining restrictions. I have never shot a ladder test or seating depth test. I am too stingy with components. Particularly during these dark times, I can shoot only to 200 yards at home. I also shoot 700 yards at a secret place in the woods locally. At 200 yards I regularly shoot 0.05 MOA and rarely over 0.75 MOA. However I'm focusing on vertical stringing over horizontal stringing at this time. So my MOA numbers reference vertical stringing only. I always put the crosshairs on my aim point and don't hold or dial. I saw a marked improvement in my groups after cataract surgery on my dominant eye. Go figure.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Peter Van Dyke, post: 2444088, member: 112882"] I've been lurking this forum for maybe fifteen years. When I was a kid I had some amazing experiences hunting with my father in Argentina and California. The hunting we did in Argentina was was wasted perhaps on a 10 year old kid at the time. Youth truly is wasted on the young. Nearly as amazing as our experiences in Argentina were I also used to walk from our home in California across the UC Berkeley campus near South Gate to a shooting range under Harmon Gym near South Gate carrying a .22 bolt action rifle over my shoulder several; times a week. I'd like to try that today. At that time shooting was easy. That to say that I hit what I was aiming at with ease. I quit shooting. I probably discovered girls or some such. Over fifty years passed before I started shooting again. My son became interested in shooting and watching him brought back fond memories. I had never shot a hand gun before. He and I went to a local shop and I bought a 1911 45 auto. I brought it home got a cardboard box and went down to the pasture with gun and box. I put the box on the ground paced off thirty paces. I couldn't hit that box to save my sole. I found this disillusioning. I consulted friends who shoot and it was suggested I get closer to the box. Thus began my renewed interest in shooting. My goal since then has been to hit what I am aiming at. I had no knowledge of hand loading. I was not aware such a thing was possible. I was raised under a roof where scientific methodology ruled. Trouble ensued were it discovered we might have designed or executed an experiment sloppily. Hand loading was utterly new to me. I brought little baggage with me. My approach from the beginning has been to fashion a cartridge perfectly (or at least consistently). This has turned out to be no easy task. My rudimentary understanding of the physics of internal ballistics coupled with my fixation on constants and variables toward discovering a way to hand load without depending on the forgiveness of sweet spots. My progress toward that goal gives pleasure and hope that I might get close enough to give me satisfaction. While I understand the value of seeking sweet spots, plateaus, nodes and the like, I will employ them when I run out of options. This my own personal rabbit hole. I don't recommend it to anyone. I am enjoying the journey. When I saw this thread I though I would enlist this venerable group to disabuse me my self constraining restrictions. I have never shot a ladder test or seating depth test. I am too stingy with components. Particularly during these dark times, I can shoot only to 200 yards at home. I also shoot 700 yards at a secret place in the woods locally. At 200 yards I regularly shoot 0.05 MOA and rarely over 0.75 MOA. However I'm focusing on vertical stringing over horizontal stringing at this time. So my MOA numbers reference vertical stringing only. I always put the crosshairs on my aim point and don't hold or dial. I saw a marked improvement in my groups after cataract surgery on my dominant eye. Go figure. [/QUOTE]
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