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Why do so many people not like the 338 Lapua?
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<blockquote data-quote="Timber338" data-source="post: 1056546" data-attributes="member: 33822"><p>I think I understand where you are coming from, and maybe you are referring to my comment that you don't need a Lapua to shoot under about 750? If so, I was more making the point that the 210 TSX is not the best bullet of choice with any 338 to shoot beyond about 700 yards. Out to medium range the 210 TSX out of the Lapua is going to be a hammer. Maybe you were not referring to my comment, but to be clear, I think a 338 is great for close range shots and has some benefits over smaller calibers. </p><p></p><p>To directly answer your questions:</p><p>1. Within 200 yards either bullet is going to perform very well on any big game as long as you put it in the right place within 200 yards. That is true for any bullet/cartridge.</p><p>2. the low BC of the 200 TSX is going to limit how far you can successfully put the bullet into the kill zone. The low BC is also going to limit how far the bullet retains enough velocity to expand properly.</p><p>3. again, either bullet will work great from 50-300 yards.</p><p></p><p>To me the question you are not asking, and should be asking, is what is the best bullet to maximize the long range potential of the 338 Lapua. Afterall, you did start this thread within the Long Range Hunting forum about one of the king cartridges of long range shooting ....</p><p></p><p>Everybody can come to their own conclusions with nothing more than running some numbers using a ballistics calculator. I suggested to do this in my last post, and I don't think you've done that. You don't need answers from people on this site, you can do it yourself, and you should do it yourself. This will shed some light on those answers you are looking for. You won't care what anybody else has to say about the cartridge because you can educated yourself with nothing but facts about what the various bullets can do at different ranges.</p><p></p><p>So please take the time to make a spreadsheet listing all the bullets you could potentially shoot out of the 338 Lapua, and compare energy, trajectory and wind drift. The Lapua is capable out to ELR distances, so compare those energy, trajectory and wind drift numbers at 200 yards, 500 yards, 750 yards, 1000 yards, 1250 yards, 1500 yards ... out to however far floats your boat. The bullets max effective range is typically when it slows down to about 1800 fps. Some people do their own testing to verify that velocity limit for themselves.</p><p></p><p>Once you run these numbers you will quickly see why the 210 TSX is a poor choice for long range shooting once you factor wind drift. You will also see at what range wind really is not a factor. And you will also see why, even at medium ranges, the high BC bullets dominate on a windy day. </p><p></p><p>No, they do not make a calculator for bullet performance at close range. Will a barnes or nosler hold up better with high-velocity close-range shots? yes. If your shot is a double lung and does not hit the shoulder, does it matter? no. Like everybody else has said, shot placement is key.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Timber338, post: 1056546, member: 33822"] I think I understand where you are coming from, and maybe you are referring to my comment that you don't need a Lapua to shoot under about 750? If so, I was more making the point that the 210 TSX is not the best bullet of choice with any 338 to shoot beyond about 700 yards. Out to medium range the 210 TSX out of the Lapua is going to be a hammer. Maybe you were not referring to my comment, but to be clear, I think a 338 is great for close range shots and has some benefits over smaller calibers. To directly answer your questions: 1. Within 200 yards either bullet is going to perform very well on any big game as long as you put it in the right place within 200 yards. That is true for any bullet/cartridge. 2. the low BC of the 200 TSX is going to limit how far you can successfully put the bullet into the kill zone. The low BC is also going to limit how far the bullet retains enough velocity to expand properly. 3. again, either bullet will work great from 50-300 yards. To me the question you are not asking, and should be asking, is what is the best bullet to maximize the long range potential of the 338 Lapua. Afterall, you did start this thread within the Long Range Hunting forum about one of the king cartridges of long range shooting .... Everybody can come to their own conclusions with nothing more than running some numbers using a ballistics calculator. I suggested to do this in my last post, and I don't think you've done that. You don't need answers from people on this site, you can do it yourself, and you should do it yourself. This will shed some light on those answers you are looking for. You won't care what anybody else has to say about the cartridge because you can educated yourself with nothing but facts about what the various bullets can do at different ranges. So please take the time to make a spreadsheet listing all the bullets you could potentially shoot out of the 338 Lapua, and compare energy, trajectory and wind drift. The Lapua is capable out to ELR distances, so compare those energy, trajectory and wind drift numbers at 200 yards, 500 yards, 750 yards, 1000 yards, 1250 yards, 1500 yards ... out to however far floats your boat. The bullets max effective range is typically when it slows down to about 1800 fps. Some people do their own testing to verify that velocity limit for themselves. Once you run these numbers you will quickly see why the 210 TSX is a poor choice for long range shooting once you factor wind drift. You will also see at what range wind really is not a factor. And you will also see why, even at medium ranges, the high BC bullets dominate on a windy day. No, they do not make a calculator for bullet performance at close range. Will a barnes or nosler hold up better with high-velocity close-range shots? yes. If your shot is a double lung and does not hit the shoulder, does it matter? no. Like everybody else has said, shot placement is key. [/QUOTE]
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