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Why do people hate Browning Firearms so much
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<blockquote data-quote="jhibbard24" data-source="post: 451553" data-attributes="member: 25072"><p>i think with any factory gun or in that sense any sort of a factory product (ie. cars, tvs, etc.) that is mass produced there will always be duds and flops. </p><p> </p><p>As far as brownings go i have nothing bad to say about them. i love the 60' bolt throw and they are usually a pretty lightweight rifle. Their shotguns are good for the price range that they are in with some of the cheaper berettas and such. Just think of all the old timers out there packing around those BARs and killing deer, elk, and moose every year.</p><p> </p><p>I bought a Browning Mountain Titanium is .300 wsm for my wife to use but also for me to pack around for timber hunting or steep country. Packing a 12-13 lb LR rifle gets a bit tiring sometimes and they're not always the quickest off-hand rifle. i put a muzzle brake on and got the trigger down to 2.5 lbs and topped it with a leupold vx3 4.5-14x40 and a DNZ alloy ring/base combo and it has kept this rifle very light. i broke in the barrel with some cheap factory ammo and decided to try out the HSM ammo 168gr bergers because i didn't have time to reload after getting the rifle set up in the middle of october. The HSM ammo shot a 3 shot .395" group at 100 yds and then another group that was just a hair bigger. my buddy has a Browning A bolt in .300 wsm and the only load that he has found for it that shoots good is factory Win powerpoint 180's. i need to get him to try the HSM ammo.</p><p> </p><p>one downfall is the short length in the mags; as they are set up just for factory length ammo. HSM ammo is loaded to factory coal specs.</p><p> </p><p>going back to factory duds... well the last two remingtons that i have bought are none so impresive. one is a 700 vls model in .22-250 that i can't get to group less than .75 moa and thats after many different hand loads. time to rebarrel it with a krieger then it should shoot like a ball of fire. number two was a 700 adl ss synthetic 30-06 that was suppose to be for the wife (this is before getting the Browning Ti). Cabelas had a smoking package deal on a cheap scope and the rifle for only $450. got the rifle shooting good with about 30 rnds down the tube and then started having some issues. the gun now had a tendency to fire when the safety was flipped off. a bit scary when i pulled it out the window of the truck to blast a 'yote dog and it went off as i was shouldering it. i took it apart and checked the trigger and reset the hammer and sear engagement and got the thing working again and used fingernail polish to set the screws. went out and shot a couple days later and after about ten rnds the same firing w/o a trigger pull crap happened so i fixed the trigger again. got the same results after a few fired rnds. I called remington and they really had no concern about it and said to take it to a certifed gunsmith. click. Lost a lot of respect right then and there for the companies service. Called cabelas and they first told me that they would exchange the rifle for another rifle just alike, but i asked for a total refund not wanting an incident like this to happen again. They were good people and did the refund for me. Just happens to be that a short time after all this happened that cnn or 20/20 and someone did a big report called 'Remington Under Fire' hmmm... seems other people have had issues too. There was a boy in montana that was killed because of a faulty firing.</p><p> </p><p>A little off the subject with all this, but my opinion on remingtons is that they are popular because there are tons of them produced and its easy to find a donor action to build off of. Hands down there is no competition when it comes to building off of a custom action. the 700 action is cheap being that i can be machined out of round stock; otherwise it could have been engineered with a integral recoil like a Win model 70. its not worth building off of a factory 700 after figuring the amount of time and money put into blueprinting it and then you still have sloppy tolerences. In the end it is still a factory action that is worth $400- $500 after your total investment of $600-$800. Buy a custom action.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jhibbard24, post: 451553, member: 25072"] i think with any factory gun or in that sense any sort of a factory product (ie. cars, tvs, etc.) that is mass produced there will always be duds and flops. As far as brownings go i have nothing bad to say about them. i love the 60' bolt throw and they are usually a pretty lightweight rifle. Their shotguns are good for the price range that they are in with some of the cheaper berettas and such. Just think of all the old timers out there packing around those BARs and killing deer, elk, and moose every year. I bought a Browning Mountain Titanium is .300 wsm for my wife to use but also for me to pack around for timber hunting or steep country. Packing a 12-13 lb LR rifle gets a bit tiring sometimes and they're not always the quickest off-hand rifle. i put a muzzle brake on and got the trigger down to 2.5 lbs and topped it with a leupold vx3 4.5-14x40 and a DNZ alloy ring/base combo and it has kept this rifle very light. i broke in the barrel with some cheap factory ammo and decided to try out the HSM ammo 168gr bergers because i didn't have time to reload after getting the rifle set up in the middle of october. The HSM ammo shot a 3 shot .395" group at 100 yds and then another group that was just a hair bigger. my buddy has a Browning A bolt in .300 wsm and the only load that he has found for it that shoots good is factory Win powerpoint 180's. i need to get him to try the HSM ammo. one downfall is the short length in the mags; as they are set up just for factory length ammo. HSM ammo is loaded to factory coal specs. going back to factory duds... well the last two remingtons that i have bought are none so impresive. one is a 700 vls model in .22-250 that i can't get to group less than .75 moa and thats after many different hand loads. time to rebarrel it with a krieger then it should shoot like a ball of fire. number two was a 700 adl ss synthetic 30-06 that was suppose to be for the wife (this is before getting the Browning Ti). Cabelas had a smoking package deal on a cheap scope and the rifle for only $450. got the rifle shooting good with about 30 rnds down the tube and then started having some issues. the gun now had a tendency to fire when the safety was flipped off. a bit scary when i pulled it out the window of the truck to blast a 'yote dog and it went off as i was shouldering it. i took it apart and checked the trigger and reset the hammer and sear engagement and got the thing working again and used fingernail polish to set the screws. went out and shot a couple days later and after about ten rnds the same firing w/o a trigger pull crap happened so i fixed the trigger again. got the same results after a few fired rnds. I called remington and they really had no concern about it and said to take it to a certifed gunsmith. click. Lost a lot of respect right then and there for the companies service. Called cabelas and they first told me that they would exchange the rifle for another rifle just alike, but i asked for a total refund not wanting an incident like this to happen again. They were good people and did the refund for me. Just happens to be that a short time after all this happened that cnn or 20/20 and someone did a big report called 'Remington Under Fire' hmmm... seems other people have had issues too. There was a boy in montana that was killed because of a faulty firing. A little off the subject with all this, but my opinion on remingtons is that they are popular because there are tons of them produced and its easy to find a donor action to build off of. Hands down there is no competition when it comes to building off of a custom action. the 700 action is cheap being that i can be machined out of round stock; otherwise it could have been engineered with a integral recoil like a Win model 70. its not worth building off of a factory 700 after figuring the amount of time and money put into blueprinting it and then you still have sloppy tolerences. In the end it is still a factory action that is worth $400- $500 after your total investment of $600-$800. Buy a custom action. [/QUOTE]
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