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Who Makes Nosler Brass ?
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<blockquote data-quote="Old teacher" data-source="post: 653951" data-attributes="member: 48420"><p>Oh man. I just spent a half an hour replying to Derek, then did something wrong and the whole thing vanished. I was better at this while I was still teaching.</p><p>But I wanted to make my point, so if you will bear with me, I will try agaiin.</p><p> </p><p>First, Derek, I appreciate your respectful rebuttal, and I offer the following with the same respect.</p><p> </p><p>Since I work with so many wildcats, I judge case quality a lot on maliability (sp)...how much can I change the shape of this case and end up with something safe and functional. I will give you an example. Do you own any rifles that have been rechambered for a Gibbs cartridge? I have a 30 Gibbs. I am sure that the vast majority of readers know the process of creating a Gibbs case, but I will run through it anyway. For the 30 Gibbs, you begin with a 30-06 case. You run it through a sizer die with the 30 caliber expander ball replaced with a 338 expander ball. This, obviously, creates a 30-338 case. Then you run it through the 30 Gibbs sizer which re-sizes about half of the 338 neck back down to 30 caliber. This creates a really goofy looking case that makes everyone at the range take a few steps back until they see that the rifle has not become a grenade. You load this case with a pretty stout powder charge and a really heavy bullet which insures that when the cartridge fires that it expands into the entire Gibbs chamber and you don't end up with half a Gibbs case. The end result is a case with the walls straightened and the shoulder changed from a 20 degree to a 40 degree and moved forward as far as possible and still leave enough neck to hold a bullet. Supposedly you are left with a cartridge that will perform at 300 Win mag levels, but realistically, you get a cartridge that is about halfway between the 30-06 and the 300. This is a violent process that requires a case to make some drastic changes in shape, twice in some places. I have NEVER had a WW case survive this process. They either split at the neck, or in some cases ,come out of the chamber in three or four pieces. I had a good smith check my headspace, and he said it was a perfect Gibbs chamber. RP's survive every time.</p><p> </p><p>But hey, use whatever works for you. My goal was not to change the mind of every WW supporter in America, just to express my point of view on cases.</p><p> </p><p>So take care, Derek, and thanks for your respect and response.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Old teacher, post: 653951, member: 48420"] Oh man. I just spent a half an hour replying to Derek, then did something wrong and the whole thing vanished. I was better at this while I was still teaching. But I wanted to make my point, so if you will bear with me, I will try agaiin. First, Derek, I appreciate your respectful rebuttal, and I offer the following with the same respect. Since I work with so many wildcats, I judge case quality a lot on maliability (sp)...how much can I change the shape of this case and end up with something safe and functional. I will give you an example. Do you own any rifles that have been rechambered for a Gibbs cartridge? I have a 30 Gibbs. I am sure that the vast majority of readers know the process of creating a Gibbs case, but I will run through it anyway. For the 30 Gibbs, you begin with a 30-06 case. You run it through a sizer die with the 30 caliber expander ball replaced with a 338 expander ball. This, obviously, creates a 30-338 case. Then you run it through the 30 Gibbs sizer which re-sizes about half of the 338 neck back down to 30 caliber. This creates a really goofy looking case that makes everyone at the range take a few steps back until they see that the rifle has not become a grenade. You load this case with a pretty stout powder charge and a really heavy bullet which insures that when the cartridge fires that it expands into the entire Gibbs chamber and you don't end up with half a Gibbs case. The end result is a case with the walls straightened and the shoulder changed from a 20 degree to a 40 degree and moved forward as far as possible and still leave enough neck to hold a bullet. Supposedly you are left with a cartridge that will perform at 300 Win mag levels, but realistically, you get a cartridge that is about halfway between the 30-06 and the 300. This is a violent process that requires a case to make some drastic changes in shape, twice in some places. I have NEVER had a WW case survive this process. They either split at the neck, or in some cases ,come out of the chamber in three or four pieces. I had a good smith check my headspace, and he said it was a perfect Gibbs chamber. RP's survive every time. But hey, use whatever works for you. My goal was not to change the mind of every WW supporter in America, just to express my point of view on cases. So take care, Derek, and thanks for your respect and response. [/QUOTE]
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