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Which Berger 168 for my 280 Ackley?
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<blockquote data-quote="Ridgerunner665" data-source="post: 1098702" data-attributes="member: 12660"><p>I've decided to try Berger bullets in my 280 Ackley...but I'm having a bit of trouble deciding which one.</p><p></p><p>I'd prefer the standard hunting VLD, but I'm wondering if I'll run into mag length issues with seating depth (single feeding is not an option)...the mag box in my rifle is 3.425", I'm guessing it "might" feed 3.400".....maybe.</p><p></p><p>The only reason I'd prefer the standard VLD over the Classic Hunter is the slightly better BC...but in reality it probably wont matter because I'm not likely to shoot over 800 yards...and the slight difference is no big deal, at least by the numbers....I have done some searching both here and elsewhere and cannot find a whole lot of info on how the Classic Hunters behave (terminal performance), I did read the article about them that Berger has out there (New Zealand)...I was hoping some of you may have some pics and experiences to share.</p><p></p><p>Also, just out of curiousity...I've seen some using the 180 Hybrid, I know its not exactly a hunting bullet...but would it work in the 280 Ackley? I figure I can send it at about 2,835 fps...tops...that should be an accurate estimate, I use QuickLoad and have my powder mapped out pretty good (MRP)....but so far the heaviest bullet I've shot in it is 160 grains.</p><p></p><p>I'm not sure what has me wanting to do this all the sudden...no particular reason pertaining to bullet performance at least...but I got to thinking about powder charges and barrel life...that makes the heavies look better than the 150 ABLR's I've been shooting...and their accuracy is fine, I didn't have any trouble at all finding a usable/accurate load with them.</p><p></p><p>.65 MOA, first load I tried...but its a warm one, 3,120 fps at 63,000 psi...won't be very easy on that expansive brass.</p><p></p><p>If my math is right, and I believe it is...I can hit a node with the 168's at about 59-60,000 psi...~2,900 fps</p><p></p><p>With 180's I can also hit that same node...but it'll be a warm one too at 63,000+ psi...and 2,830 fps.</p><p></p><p>Looking at wind drift of all those loads (using Litz BC's)...there isn't one bit of noticeable difference between them...nothing over 1-2 inches....which is easily lost in everything else....remember, 800 yards max range....whitetail deer mainly, and elk if I ever draw in TN...with a few coyotes mixed in there as I see them (targets of opportunity)</p><p></p><p></p><p>Thoughts, input, experiences, all comments welcome</p><p></p><p>Edited to add: 24 inch 1 in 9" twist barrel</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ridgerunner665, post: 1098702, member: 12660"] I've decided to try Berger bullets in my 280 Ackley...but I'm having a bit of trouble deciding which one. I'd prefer the standard hunting VLD, but I'm wondering if I'll run into mag length issues with seating depth (single feeding is not an option)...the mag box in my rifle is 3.425", I'm guessing it "might" feed 3.400".....maybe. The only reason I'd prefer the standard VLD over the Classic Hunter is the slightly better BC...but in reality it probably wont matter because I'm not likely to shoot over 800 yards...and the slight difference is no big deal, at least by the numbers....I have done some searching both here and elsewhere and cannot find a whole lot of info on how the Classic Hunters behave (terminal performance), I did read the article about them that Berger has out there (New Zealand)...I was hoping some of you may have some pics and experiences to share. Also, just out of curiousity...I've seen some using the 180 Hybrid, I know its not exactly a hunting bullet...but would it work in the 280 Ackley? I figure I can send it at about 2,835 fps...tops...that should be an accurate estimate, I use QuickLoad and have my powder mapped out pretty good (MRP)....but so far the heaviest bullet I've shot in it is 160 grains. I'm not sure what has me wanting to do this all the sudden...no particular reason pertaining to bullet performance at least...but I got to thinking about powder charges and barrel life...that makes the heavies look better than the 150 ABLR's I've been shooting...and their accuracy is fine, I didn't have any trouble at all finding a usable/accurate load with them. .65 MOA, first load I tried...but its a warm one, 3,120 fps at 63,000 psi...won't be very easy on that expansive brass. If my math is right, and I believe it is...I can hit a node with the 168's at about 59-60,000 psi...~2,900 fps With 180's I can also hit that same node...but it'll be a warm one too at 63,000+ psi...and 2,830 fps. Looking at wind drift of all those loads (using Litz BC's)...there isn't one bit of noticeable difference between them...nothing over 1-2 inches....which is easily lost in everything else....remember, 800 yards max range....whitetail deer mainly, and elk if I ever draw in TN...with a few coyotes mixed in there as I see them (targets of opportunity) Thoughts, input, experiences, all comments welcome Edited to add: 24 inch 1 in 9" twist barrel [/QUOTE]
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