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Which 6mm in long action Remington 700? Quality Brass is issue...
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<blockquote data-quote="Fiftydriver" data-source="post: 892369" data-attributes="member: 10"><p>Sorry for the smart *** comment!!!<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p> </p><p> You of course are correct, if you want Lapua brass, 30-06 is only option for the 6-06. And again, you are also dead on in the fact that the Win brass IS NOT equal quality to the Lapua brass. No questions there.</p><p> </p><p> That said, I have found that I can take 100 Winchester 25-06 brass, full length size it down to 6mm-06, trim them all to length, debur case mouth inside and out, debur and true flashhole and then sort cases by weight and come out with a lot of brass with 60-70 that will be pretty much dead on the money weight and capacity wise. </p><p> </p><p> Neck thickness if you want to sort by that will take a few more out for sure but you can easily come up with 50 cases per 100 that are what I would call true match quality from a sorted batch of Win brass.</p><p> </p><p> Will never be as strong, no way around that but I have always been pretty impressed with the Win brass and its case head hardness which allows it to handle much higher chambers then say Rem brass.</p><p> </p><p> I have also found that when necking down a 30 cal as far down as 6mm, often times you start to run into some potential neck thickness issues. Easily correctable by neck turning but I HATE turning necks.</p><p> </p><p> While the Win brass neck run outs may be a bit high on virgin brass, depending on the FL die set up used to neck them down, after shooting them for the first time, they are very good and consistant. Even virgin loads will easily clip 1/2 moa.</p><p> </p><p> So while I certainly concede to your comments about Lapua brass, with a bit of prep work and sorting, you can get some very high quality brass from the Win 25-06 parent cases.</p><p> </p><p> Also agree that the feeding aspect for what we do most of the time is nit picking for sure. A properly set up 6-284 will feed just fine but there are some rifles that just do not behave when building them and you have to put in a couple hours on the bench fine tuning things to get them to feed properly. As a rifle builder, I hate to say it but I do like the ones that you throw together after the precision metal work is done and they just do what they are supposed to.</p><p> </p><p> All that said, a good center feed mag box design or Detachable Mag box solves pretty much all feeding problems, in the case of the DM system, just adds a few bills to the price.</p><p> </p><p> Your points are all dead on the money, agree with all, we are just pulling hairs here between the two!!! Comes down to what brass you want to be honest and that's about it. Great rounds the both of them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fiftydriver, post: 892369, member: 10"] Sorry for the smart *** comment!!!:D You of course are correct, if you want Lapua brass, 30-06 is only option for the 6-06. And again, you are also dead on in the fact that the Win brass IS NOT equal quality to the Lapua brass. No questions there. That said, I have found that I can take 100 Winchester 25-06 brass, full length size it down to 6mm-06, trim them all to length, debur case mouth inside and out, debur and true flashhole and then sort cases by weight and come out with a lot of brass with 60-70 that will be pretty much dead on the money weight and capacity wise. Neck thickness if you want to sort by that will take a few more out for sure but you can easily come up with 50 cases per 100 that are what I would call true match quality from a sorted batch of Win brass. Will never be as strong, no way around that but I have always been pretty impressed with the Win brass and its case head hardness which allows it to handle much higher chambers then say Rem brass. I have also found that when necking down a 30 cal as far down as 6mm, often times you start to run into some potential neck thickness issues. Easily correctable by neck turning but I HATE turning necks. While the Win brass neck run outs may be a bit high on virgin brass, depending on the FL die set up used to neck them down, after shooting them for the first time, they are very good and consistant. Even virgin loads will easily clip 1/2 moa. So while I certainly concede to your comments about Lapua brass, with a bit of prep work and sorting, you can get some very high quality brass from the Win 25-06 parent cases. Also agree that the feeding aspect for what we do most of the time is nit picking for sure. A properly set up 6-284 will feed just fine but there are some rifles that just do not behave when building them and you have to put in a couple hours on the bench fine tuning things to get them to feed properly. As a rifle builder, I hate to say it but I do like the ones that you throw together after the precision metal work is done and they just do what they are supposed to. All that said, a good center feed mag box design or Detachable Mag box solves pretty much all feeding problems, in the case of the DM system, just adds a few bills to the price. Your points are all dead on the money, agree with all, we are just pulling hairs here between the two!!! Comes down to what brass you want to be honest and that's about it. Great rounds the both of them. [/QUOTE]
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