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When are gun manufacturers going to get it?
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<blockquote data-quote="Jud96" data-source="post: 2026247" data-attributes="member: 69478"><p>There's a lot going on in your original post, but let me try to explain this. First off, just because there's a lot of high BC, long range bullets out there doesn't mean everyone knows about them, knows what they even are, or will ever shoot them. Most hunters won't benefit from a 1-8 twist 7mm Rem Mag when they're shooting factory Winchester 150gr ammo. I go to a public range often, most of these guys don't even know how to sight their rifle in, they rest the barrel on the front rest instead of the forearm, and they're happy if they hit the target somewhere near the center.</p><p></p><p>To further add to this, SAAMI specs control everything major manufacturers do. Also, manufacturers can't just up and change to all their ammo and rifles for well known chamberings being made for long range bullets. You have to remember all the 50+ year old rifles out their in 7mm Rem Mag, .270, .300 Win Mag, etc. Those rifles were all designed for old school bullets and all the SAAMI specs are designed around that. You can't load 180gr Berger's in factory 7mm Rem Mag ammo and sell it on the shelf at cabelas and Walmart. People with the old school rifles will complain and have issues since their rifles aren't designed for that. You have to make ammo that will be safe and function in all guns that are chambered in that cartridge. Then you run into the issues of trying to explain and justify to people that there's now "old" 7mm Rem Mag ammo and "new" 7mm Rem Mag ammo. That's very confusing and impossible logistically. So the only way around this is to bring out new cartridges with similar performance as old ones, but designed from the ground up to shoot heavy for caliber bullets and have fast twist rates. That's how the 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5 PRC, 300 PRC, etc have come about and gained popularity. Or you could reload your own ammo and have a fast twist barrel installed on a factory rifle. That's the only way to do what you want to do.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jud96, post: 2026247, member: 69478"] There’s a lot going on in your original post, but let me try to explain this. First off, just because there’s a lot of high BC, long range bullets out there doesn’t mean everyone knows about them, knows what they even are, or will ever shoot them. Most hunters won’t benefit from a 1-8 twist 7mm Rem Mag when they’re shooting factory Winchester 150gr ammo. I go to a public range often, most of these guys don’t even know how to sight their rifle in, they rest the barrel on the front rest instead of the forearm, and they’re happy if they hit the target somewhere near the center. To further add to this, SAAMI specs control everything major manufacturers do. Also, manufacturers can’t just up and change to all their ammo and rifles for well known chamberings being made for long range bullets. You have to remember all the 50+ year old rifles out their in 7mm Rem Mag, .270, .300 Win Mag, etc. Those rifles were all designed for old school bullets and all the SAAMI specs are designed around that. You can’t load 180gr Berger’s in factory 7mm Rem Mag ammo and sell it on the shelf at cabelas and Walmart. People with the old school rifles will complain and have issues since their rifles aren’t designed for that. You have to make ammo that will be safe and function in all guns that are chambered in that cartridge. Then you run into the issues of trying to explain and justify to people that there’s now “old” 7mm Rem Mag ammo and “new” 7mm Rem Mag ammo. That’s very confusing and impossible logistically. So the only way around this is to bring out new cartridges with similar performance as old ones, but designed from the ground up to shoot heavy for caliber bullets and have fast twist rates. That’s how the 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5 PRC, 300 PRC, etc have come about and gained popularity. Or you could reload your own ammo and have a fast twist barrel installed on a factory rifle. That’s the only way to do what you want to do. [/QUOTE]
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