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<blockquote data-quote="Long Time Long Ranger" data-source="post: 501774" data-attributes="member: 505"><p>Cornstalker, I to have seen some strange things happen. One or even a few experiences are not enough to draw a statistical opinion. I have only seen a few hundred elk killed which is certainly not enough for a scientific decision but from what I have seen I gave my opinion. I can assure you the 340 wby over several instances is way more elk rifle than the other two all things being equal. Like I said any legal firearm will kill elk with the proper bullets and within the cartridge limits.</p><p> </p><p>Jumpalot I do not feel like you were attacking me. That first quote in the overall context is explaining what I was saying in another thread and got quite a few questions on. So that whole thread I put in there explains why I use the big 338's I do. In no way am I saying the others are not good. I was just explaining why I use the lighter bullets in the mid size 338's because they are better for me at the ranges I shoot those cartridges. If I go over 1000 yards I switch to a big 338 that gives me better odds at a long range hit because I am in the kill zone for nearly 25% longer as the bullet drops through it. In my arsenal it just leaves no place for the 338-300 RUM with 300 grain bullets. If I wanted to I could kill an elk as far as anybody with my 338-300's. I just play the better odds because I have them in the rack. I hunt hard and when I get my chance I make sure everything is in my favor I can get.</p><p> </p><p>As far as the bear quote I didn't say more animals were lost to the 7mm rem mag than anything else. I said many of them are lost because to many people are trying to stretch the 7mm rem mag beyond it's capabilities and losing way to much game hurting us all as long range hunters.</p><p> </p><p>Now for the skinny on my reason for saying all the things I did.</p><p> </p><p>With all of the media hype of the 7mm rem mag shooting 168 bergers the past few years there are way to many people out there now slinging bullets long range thinking they have gods greatest gift to the world and they do not. They are wounding and losing quite a large number of elk which hurts us all. I have seen this more and more every year and can name several circumstances this year alone where guys in the elk unit I live in lost several bulls shooting this set up. There is a high wounding loss percentage trying to kill elk long range with a 7mm rem mag. Particularly with high fragmenting bullets like the berger and amax. </p><p> </p><p>In the hands of a top shot that knows what he is doing it can be done if he is willing to wait for the right opportunity and is a top shot that can make the high shoulder shot every time. For over 40 years I have found that hunters talk is much better than their aim and many animals are lost to poor shooting. This is the problem with the fine 7mm remington cartridge. Not the cartridge but the idea that has been and continues to be portrayed that it is a top long range elk rifle which it definitely is not. People watching media need to understand why things are portrayed a particular way in that media and it has to do with what brings it to all of us. That is advertising dollars. </p><p> </p><p>I can make a video and TV show to make people believe whatever I want about any cartridge or bow because I am an exceptional shot with both and could make people swear the 308 winchester is the world beater of all time for long range elk. As accurate as my 308 winchesters are I could whack elk after elk dead right there at 800 yards if I wanted because I can. And prove to everyone in any media it is the best. I do not believe it is the best and would not do that. I am trying hard to get the average guy from buying a 7mm rem mag for long range elk hunting because it is not a good choice unless you are very experienced and know exactly what you are doing and willing to wait for the perfect shot. Every elk hunter I know want the best to bring an elk out of the woods when they see it. That means close shots in timber at bad angles to long range shots in any position. The 7mm rem mag while a very good elk rifle within it's capability is limited in some critical circumstances an average hunter may see on an avergae elk hunt. I do not like to be limited as hard as it is to get a shot at a nice bull.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Long Time Long Ranger, post: 501774, member: 505"] Cornstalker, I to have seen some strange things happen. One or even a few experiences are not enough to draw a statistical opinion. I have only seen a few hundred elk killed which is certainly not enough for a scientific decision but from what I have seen I gave my opinion. I can assure you the 340 wby over several instances is way more elk rifle than the other two all things being equal. Like I said any legal firearm will kill elk with the proper bullets and within the cartridge limits. Jumpalot I do not feel like you were attacking me. That first quote in the overall context is explaining what I was saying in another thread and got quite a few questions on. So that whole thread I put in there explains why I use the big 338's I do. In no way am I saying the others are not good. I was just explaining why I use the lighter bullets in the mid size 338's because they are better for me at the ranges I shoot those cartridges. If I go over 1000 yards I switch to a big 338 that gives me better odds at a long range hit because I am in the kill zone for nearly 25% longer as the bullet drops through it. In my arsenal it just leaves no place for the 338-300 RUM with 300 grain bullets. If I wanted to I could kill an elk as far as anybody with my 338-300's. I just play the better odds because I have them in the rack. I hunt hard and when I get my chance I make sure everything is in my favor I can get. As far as the bear quote I didn't say more animals were lost to the 7mm rem mag than anything else. I said many of them are lost because to many people are trying to stretch the 7mm rem mag beyond it's capabilities and losing way to much game hurting us all as long range hunters. Now for the skinny on my reason for saying all the things I did. With all of the media hype of the 7mm rem mag shooting 168 bergers the past few years there are way to many people out there now slinging bullets long range thinking they have gods greatest gift to the world and they do not. They are wounding and losing quite a large number of elk which hurts us all. I have seen this more and more every year and can name several circumstances this year alone where guys in the elk unit I live in lost several bulls shooting this set up. There is a high wounding loss percentage trying to kill elk long range with a 7mm rem mag. Particularly with high fragmenting bullets like the berger and amax. In the hands of a top shot that knows what he is doing it can be done if he is willing to wait for the right opportunity and is a top shot that can make the high shoulder shot every time. For over 40 years I have found that hunters talk is much better than their aim and many animals are lost to poor shooting. This is the problem with the fine 7mm remington cartridge. Not the cartridge but the idea that has been and continues to be portrayed that it is a top long range elk rifle which it definitely is not. People watching media need to understand why things are portrayed a particular way in that media and it has to do with what brings it to all of us. That is advertising dollars. I can make a video and TV show to make people believe whatever I want about any cartridge or bow because I am an exceptional shot with both and could make people swear the 308 winchester is the world beater of all time for long range elk. As accurate as my 308 winchesters are I could whack elk after elk dead right there at 800 yards if I wanted because I can. And prove to everyone in any media it is the best. I do not believe it is the best and would not do that. I am trying hard to get the average guy from buying a 7mm rem mag for long range elk hunting because it is not a good choice unless you are very experienced and know exactly what you are doing and willing to wait for the perfect shot. Every elk hunter I know want the best to bring an elk out of the woods when they see it. That means close shots in timber at bad angles to long range shots in any position. The 7mm rem mag while a very good elk rifle within it's capability is limited in some critical circumstances an average hunter may see on an avergae elk hunt. I do not like to be limited as hard as it is to get a shot at a nice bull. [/QUOTE]
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