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<blockquote data-quote="Long Time Long Ranger" data-source="post: 501498" data-attributes="member: 505"><p>The 300 winchester will shoot a 177 grain GS bullet with a .638 BC 3200 fps. I have two that will in a 26" barrel. A 7mm remington can not compete with that with a premium big game bullet that I am aware of. The 300 winchester has the velocity at long range to drive this bullet through an elk and kill it at angles the 7mm may not because there are no high bc premium hunting bullets available for the 7mm remington that it can drive fast enough to do so. The 168 berger and 162 amax are about the best thing ballistically in 7mm remington for it's kill range and they do not get near the 300 winchester with the 177 GS bullet. Neither are designed to drive through bone and tough muscle of a large bull elk at angle. Fragmenting bullets do not do this. The 300 winchester with available bullets is in a league beyond the 7mm remington when it comes to long range elk hunting. It will kill elk with shots the 7mm remington can't.</p><p> </p><p>1000's of elk are killed with the 7mm remington each year. Unfortunately bears eat many of them because they are lost to the hunter. The 7mm remington is not a good performer on elk at long range when you do not have a good broadside shot and a good shooter capable of a high shoulder shot. Double lung shots are even risky with the 7mm remington at long range because the bullets that get you there will either splatter on a rib or pencil hole through without enough velocity for expansion and the elk runs for miles. At average distances most hunters take elk you can use a good quality premium hunting bullet and make a good elk rifle.</p><p> </p><p>I have over twenty 7mm rifles in many cartridges and I want to know where these super long range premium hunting bullets are in 7mm. I need them. Like I said for caribou, deer and antelope I use the bergers and amax. But for long range elk I have none that I can depend on that will not fragment. bottom line the 7mm remington is not a good choice for long range elk. Like I said it will kill one under the right circumstances but the odds are not good. I hope to goodness kids and everyone else is reading this and understands clearly the 7mm remington is not a good choice for long range elk. If you plan to do so please get an elk rifle or shoot your 7mm remington within a fair range for this cartridge using premium quality hunting bullets.</p><p> </p><p>I think this will answer most of your quoting me.</p><p> </p><p>Now for the ones that think this thread is silly or funny.</p><p> </p><p>I live in the best trophy elk unit in Wyoming. I have lived in several western states and hunted and guided for elk for nearly 40 years seeing 100's shot. As residents we get to draw this tag on average about 3-4 times in twenty years. It makes me mad as he!! to see all these nonresidents and inexperienced resident hunters bringing their 7mm remingtons out here with their 168 Berger bullets thinking they can kill an elk as far as they can see it because they saw it on TV and other inexperienced people tell them it is great on forums. On many occasions these people have got into this premium area and killed several bulls with this set up and may or may not have found one to carry home with them. Through the years I have known of many numbers of elk wounded and lost to the 7mm trying to go long range on elk where it does not belong. I tried to say this nicely in my previous post. It is not silly or funny to me to see year after year all these bulls lost to hunters who are not prepared with the proper equipment or knowledge to shoot elk. Elk are lost to all calibers but the problem is exponential with the smaller calibers. Maybe we could draw tags with much greater regularity if we didn't have so much wounding loss with people trying to shoot elk long range without the proper equipment.</p><p> </p><p>It is just not funny to me losing these big bulls and yes there is quite a difference when shooting elk with a large caliber rifle. If you can't stand the recoil then get the proper bullet and shoot your 7mm remington within the ranges where those bullets are effective and you can place the bullet dead on where it should go. Like I said before large bull elk can go a long way with a marginal hit with a small caliber rifle. Large caliber heavy bullets can give you a much better chance of retrieving your elk. Whether it is a marginal hit or having to drive it through tough muscle and bone on an angle the 7mm remington can not handle long range.</p><p> </p><p>I have killed elk with the 7mm's and about every other caliber. I have many friends and guided many that kill elk every year with lesser cartridges than the 7mm remington. Magnum rifles are not even necessary to kill elk effectively. I can take a 308 winchester and kill elk effectively. All this assumes the proper bullet is used and the shots kept within the proper distances and angles these rifles are capable. That is my point and again the 7mm remington is not a long range elk rifle when there are to many good ones available. I know it is popular and sponsors on here use it and tv shows are made using it. With the right situation it will kill an elk as dead as anything at long range. But in the process many elk will also be lost to it and die never being found that would have been retrieved with a better choice for long range elk.</p><p> </p><p>I am not on here to make people mad and I respect everyones opinion. But I am going to state what I have learned through many years of long range elk hunting to help anyone coming into the sport make the proper choice for the animals they plan to hunt long range.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Long Time Long Ranger, post: 501498, member: 505"] The 300 winchester will shoot a 177 grain GS bullet with a .638 BC 3200 fps. I have two that will in a 26" barrel. A 7mm remington can not compete with that with a premium big game bullet that I am aware of. The 300 winchester has the velocity at long range to drive this bullet through an elk and kill it at angles the 7mm may not because there are no high bc premium hunting bullets available for the 7mm remington that it can drive fast enough to do so. The 168 berger and 162 amax are about the best thing ballistically in 7mm remington for it's kill range and they do not get near the 300 winchester with the 177 GS bullet. Neither are designed to drive through bone and tough muscle of a large bull elk at angle. Fragmenting bullets do not do this. The 300 winchester with available bullets is in a league beyond the 7mm remington when it comes to long range elk hunting. It will kill elk with shots the 7mm remington can't. 1000's of elk are killed with the 7mm remington each year. Unfortunately bears eat many of them because they are lost to the hunter. The 7mm remington is not a good performer on elk at long range when you do not have a good broadside shot and a good shooter capable of a high shoulder shot. Double lung shots are even risky with the 7mm remington at long range because the bullets that get you there will either splatter on a rib or pencil hole through without enough velocity for expansion and the elk runs for miles. At average distances most hunters take elk you can use a good quality premium hunting bullet and make a good elk rifle. I have over twenty 7mm rifles in many cartridges and I want to know where these super long range premium hunting bullets are in 7mm. I need them. Like I said for caribou, deer and antelope I use the bergers and amax. But for long range elk I have none that I can depend on that will not fragment. bottom line the 7mm remington is not a good choice for long range elk. Like I said it will kill one under the right circumstances but the odds are not good. I hope to goodness kids and everyone else is reading this and understands clearly the 7mm remington is not a good choice for long range elk. If you plan to do so please get an elk rifle or shoot your 7mm remington within a fair range for this cartridge using premium quality hunting bullets. I think this will answer most of your quoting me. Now for the ones that think this thread is silly or funny. I live in the best trophy elk unit in Wyoming. I have lived in several western states and hunted and guided for elk for nearly 40 years seeing 100's shot. As residents we get to draw this tag on average about 3-4 times in twenty years. It makes me mad as he!! to see all these nonresidents and inexperienced resident hunters bringing their 7mm remingtons out here with their 168 Berger bullets thinking they can kill an elk as far as they can see it because they saw it on TV and other inexperienced people tell them it is great on forums. On many occasions these people have got into this premium area and killed several bulls with this set up and may or may not have found one to carry home with them. Through the years I have known of many numbers of elk wounded and lost to the 7mm trying to go long range on elk where it does not belong. I tried to say this nicely in my previous post. It is not silly or funny to me to see year after year all these bulls lost to hunters who are not prepared with the proper equipment or knowledge to shoot elk. Elk are lost to all calibers but the problem is exponential with the smaller calibers. Maybe we could draw tags with much greater regularity if we didn't have so much wounding loss with people trying to shoot elk long range without the proper equipment. It is just not funny to me losing these big bulls and yes there is quite a difference when shooting elk with a large caliber rifle. If you can't stand the recoil then get the proper bullet and shoot your 7mm remington within the ranges where those bullets are effective and you can place the bullet dead on where it should go. Like I said before large bull elk can go a long way with a marginal hit with a small caliber rifle. Large caliber heavy bullets can give you a much better chance of retrieving your elk. Whether it is a marginal hit or having to drive it through tough muscle and bone on an angle the 7mm remington can not handle long range. I have killed elk with the 7mm's and about every other caliber. I have many friends and guided many that kill elk every year with lesser cartridges than the 7mm remington. Magnum rifles are not even necessary to kill elk effectively. I can take a 308 winchester and kill elk effectively. All this assumes the proper bullet is used and the shots kept within the proper distances and angles these rifles are capable. That is my point and again the 7mm remington is not a long range elk rifle when there are to many good ones available. I know it is popular and sponsors on here use it and tv shows are made using it. With the right situation it will kill an elk as dead as anything at long range. But in the process many elk will also be lost to it and die never being found that would have been retrieved with a better choice for long range elk. I am not on here to make people mad and I respect everyones opinion. But I am going to state what I have learned through many years of long range elk hunting to help anyone coming into the sport make the proper choice for the animals they plan to hunt long range. [/QUOTE]
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