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<blockquote data-quote="green 788" data-source="post: 98375" data-attributes="member: 3781"><p>4ked,</p><p></p><p>You said: <strong>"I am going to, for the first time, try a ladder test at their reccomendation. Now you are running head to head with guys that have been ladder testing for years with great results and you want them to give your OCW a try. Why should they? Honestly it sounds interesting but is not far removed from the "shoot groups with different powder charges" method."</strong></p><p></p><p>If you'll carefully study what the OCW method is designed to accomplish, it is simply this: <strong>Three ladder tests, fired in round-robin fashion.</strong> And that's it. It has a significant statistical advantage over the results of a single ladder test, which I explain more in depth here--&gt; <a href="http://home.earthlink.net/~dannewberry/dannewberrysoptimalchargeweightloaddevelopment/id1.html" target="_blank">http://home.earthlink.net/~dannewberry/dannewberrysoptimalchargeweightloaddevelopment/id1.html</a></p><p></p><p>I appreciate your advice and your patience in bearing with me here. I don't believe you're trying to be combative, and that you honestly don't yet see what OCW is all about. I'll do whatever I can to help. </p><p></p><p>Regarding photos of long kills with loads developed by the OCW method... I would respectfully have to say that if I were a shooter who had not heard of OCW load development before, I wouldn't be convinced by photos of long range kills. And I say this because, well, even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then. I <em>might</em> however be convinced if I were to see some long range groups. I say "might" because you never know when some stosh is going to shoot a group at 200 yards and tell everyone it's an 800 yard group. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif But anyway, that's as much as I can offer, that is, photos of groups fired with OCW load recipes at different long ranges.</p><p></p><p><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/green788/IMR_4064_175_SMK.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/green788/1040_yards.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/green788/107SMK600yds.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/green788/180NosBT600yds.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/green788/1062yds.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>I've got many others, but I don't want to use up too much bandwidth here... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif</p><p></p><p>If you'll do a google search on OCW load development, you will find that the method has become pretty widely known. Not all of the hits you'll see are from sites I have anything to do with. I've even seen my load development method being discussed on foreign sites, Swedish and Russian in particular. (Yeah, maybe they're giving me down the road, I don't know... I can't understand anything but my name and the acronym OCW). /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif</p><p></p><p>You don't have to enter into OCW load development with the idea that you'll have a load that shoots well in other rifles. Use it simply as a way to conduct a <em>thourough</em> ladder test which factors out the errors caused by heating and/or fouling barrels, etc.</p><p></p><p>The long range groups shown above were fired with pretty much un-tweaked OCW load recipes which were first identified at 100 yards.</p><p></p><p>To both 4ked and Bounty Hunter: I had no idea so many folks were using bench guns to hunt long range. I stand corrected there. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif I think so long as the rifle is light enough to carry into the field without a hand-truck, you're still hunting... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif</p><p></p><p>Dan</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="green 788, post: 98375, member: 3781"] 4ked, You said: [b]"I am going to, for the first time, try a ladder test at their reccomendation. Now you are running head to head with guys that have been ladder testing for years with great results and you want them to give your OCW a try. Why should they? Honestly it sounds interesting but is not far removed from the "shoot groups with different powder charges" method."[/b] If you'll carefully study what the OCW method is designed to accomplish, it is simply this: [b]Three ladder tests, fired in round-robin fashion.[/b] And that's it. It has a significant statistical advantage over the results of a single ladder test, which I explain more in depth here--> [url="http://home.earthlink.net/~dannewberry/dannewberrysoptimalchargeweightloaddevelopment/id1.html"]http://home.earthlink.net/~dannewberry/dannewberrysoptimalchargeweightloaddevelopment/id1.html[/url] I appreciate your advice and your patience in bearing with me here. I don't believe you're trying to be combative, and that you honestly don't yet see what OCW is all about. I'll do whatever I can to help. Regarding photos of long kills with loads developed by the OCW method... I would respectfully have to say that if I were a shooter who had not heard of OCW load development before, I wouldn't be convinced by photos of long range kills. And I say this because, well, even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then. I [i]might[/i] however be convinced if I were to see some long range groups. I say "might" because you never know when some stosh is going to shoot a group at 200 yards and tell everyone it's an 800 yard group. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] But anyway, that's as much as I can offer, that is, photos of groups fired with OCW load recipes at different long ranges. [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/green788/IMR_4064_175_SMK.jpg[/img] [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/green788/1040_yards.jpg[/img] [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/green788/107SMK600yds.jpg[/img] [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/green788/180NosBT600yds.jpg[/img] [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/green788/1062yds.jpg[/img] I've got many others, but I don't want to use up too much bandwidth here... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] If you'll do a google search on OCW load development, you will find that the method has become pretty widely known. Not all of the hits you'll see are from sites I have anything to do with. I've even seen my load development method being discussed on foreign sites, Swedish and Russian in particular. (Yeah, maybe they're giving me down the road, I don't know... I can't understand anything but my name and the acronym OCW). [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] You don't have to enter into OCW load development with the idea that you'll have a load that shoots well in other rifles. Use it simply as a way to conduct a [i]thourough[/i] ladder test which factors out the errors caused by heating and/or fouling barrels, etc. The long range groups shown above were fired with pretty much un-tweaked OCW load recipes which were first identified at 100 yards. To both 4ked and Bounty Hunter: I had no idea so many folks were using bench guns to hunt long range. I stand corrected there. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] I think so long as the rifle is light enough to carry into the field without a hand-truck, you're still hunting... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] Dan [/QUOTE]
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