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<blockquote data-quote="BountyHunter" data-source="post: 98366" data-attributes="member: 12"><p>Dan</p><p></p><p>Your misinformation on LR BR and LR hunting is astounding. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif</p><p></p><p>1. Many of the LR hunters are using rigs that could and are often used in Competition. Look at the Point Blank videos by Bobby Hart etc. Those are his comp guns.</p><p></p><p>2. Most of the LR BR guns are not 6.5s as you alledge. About 50% or more of the LR BR rigs are still 30 caliber shooting 190-240 gr bullets (in some areas much more than 50%) and a few 338s and yes the rest are 6.5-284s, and other 6,5s, 7mms and we are seeing the 6mm come in. This last year I shot my LR hunting gun, 338 Lapua Ack Imp w/300 gr SMKs, in the HG class without a muzzle brake. As it is relatively lightweight for a HG and the recoil very heavy (guys said that they had never seen the front two legs of the stool come off the ground before when someone shot), /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif I was not too fast on the repeat shots but shot two 9" 10 shot groups with a gun not tuned to shoot w/o the brake just to see what it was doing and took 2nd in both relays and it has shot a five shot in 18" at one mile.</p><p></p><p>3. As for the usefullness of a BR type LR rig vs a mag gun on a second shot. couple points need to be considered. A: A good first shot is what is prescribed for LR hunting and not quick second with a quick bolt handling for a running second shot so you supposed so your advantage of a mag gun is not factual. B: Guys with BR rigs can and do run 5 shots in under 20 seconds and 10 in 43-50 seconds, so speed of a second is not an issue as you believe.</p><p></p><p>3. As for the "incompatability of LR shooting and BR reloading techniques, wrong again. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif The exact same reloading techniques for comp will consistently give you sub moa groups in LR hunting/tactical comp guns. Most of the top tactical shooters are using BR reloading techniques only in no-neck turn chambers that are min SAAMI with match leades, same bullet sorting and brass prep techniques (You know all the things you say is not needed). They are using Neiseka actions with Borden bumps, Surgeons or others that are about .002-.004 looser in the bolt raceway but just as tight elsewhere. The trigger is 1.5 lbs vs 1.5-2 oz. Same barrels, same lug prep, firing pin/spring work, etc. </p><p></p><p>4. I know you were alluding to me with not answering simple questions as to why. Like I said, it does not matter if I cannot personally answer because that does not make it false. But I know what works and I routinely push the envelope to try new things, bullets, reloading techs to see if it works. On the flip side of that coin, you cannot personally answer the tecnical questions from your own technical research or personal knowledge either and that is substantiated by your gross misconceptions on BR and LR hunting for example. Can you answer technical questions on the G1-G7 curves on bullets or the SGy vs SGx axis based on your own technical research, yes or no? They how can you say with authority the things you do? You relied on someone elses info and simply quoted and ref us to it. So get off that horse because you cannot ride it either.</p><p></p><p>Now if you want to shoot flys, suggest you load em up and get on BR central and contact the Aussies that hang there. They have a 500m fly shoot contest all the time and they will invite you over. If you can hang with those boys and get your FLY SHOOT cap, OCW might work. Do not even think to ask if I have one, you would make me go dig it out.</p><p></p><p>If OCW is so dang good, then go to the guys who can prove it hands down as I have said repeatedly. Go to the 308 palma and Fclass F/TR guys like I suggested. When they start preaching it, I will listen and say you are on to something. </p><p></p><p>Anyway, I still say this is fun and great discussions. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif</p><p></p><p>BH</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BountyHunter, post: 98366, member: 12"] Dan Your misinformation on LR BR and LR hunting is astounding. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] 1. Many of the LR hunters are using rigs that could and are often used in Competition. Look at the Point Blank videos by Bobby Hart etc. Those are his comp guns. 2. Most of the LR BR guns are not 6.5s as you alledge. About 50% or more of the LR BR rigs are still 30 caliber shooting 190-240 gr bullets (in some areas much more than 50%) and a few 338s and yes the rest are 6.5-284s, and other 6,5s, 7mms and we are seeing the 6mm come in. This last year I shot my LR hunting gun, 338 Lapua Ack Imp w/300 gr SMKs, in the HG class without a muzzle brake. As it is relatively lightweight for a HG and the recoil very heavy (guys said that they had never seen the front two legs of the stool come off the ground before when someone shot), [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] I was not too fast on the repeat shots but shot two 9" 10 shot groups with a gun not tuned to shoot w/o the brake just to see what it was doing and took 2nd in both relays and it has shot a five shot in 18" at one mile. 3. As for the usefullness of a BR type LR rig vs a mag gun on a second shot. couple points need to be considered. A: A good first shot is what is prescribed for LR hunting and not quick second with a quick bolt handling for a running second shot so you supposed so your advantage of a mag gun is not factual. B: Guys with BR rigs can and do run 5 shots in under 20 seconds and 10 in 43-50 seconds, so speed of a second is not an issue as you believe. 3. As for the "incompatability of LR shooting and BR reloading techniques, wrong again. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] The exact same reloading techniques for comp will consistently give you sub moa groups in LR hunting/tactical comp guns. Most of the top tactical shooters are using BR reloading techniques only in no-neck turn chambers that are min SAAMI with match leades, same bullet sorting and brass prep techniques (You know all the things you say is not needed). They are using Neiseka actions with Borden bumps, Surgeons or others that are about .002-.004 looser in the bolt raceway but just as tight elsewhere. The trigger is 1.5 lbs vs 1.5-2 oz. Same barrels, same lug prep, firing pin/spring work, etc. 4. I know you were alluding to me with not answering simple questions as to why. Like I said, it does not matter if I cannot personally answer because that does not make it false. But I know what works and I routinely push the envelope to try new things, bullets, reloading techs to see if it works. On the flip side of that coin, you cannot personally answer the tecnical questions from your own technical research or personal knowledge either and that is substantiated by your gross misconceptions on BR and LR hunting for example. Can you answer technical questions on the G1-G7 curves on bullets or the SGy vs SGx axis based on your own technical research, yes or no? They how can you say with authority the things you do? You relied on someone elses info and simply quoted and ref us to it. So get off that horse because you cannot ride it either. Now if you want to shoot flys, suggest you load em up and get on BR central and contact the Aussies that hang there. They have a 500m fly shoot contest all the time and they will invite you over. If you can hang with those boys and get your FLY SHOOT cap, OCW might work. Do not even think to ask if I have one, you would make me go dig it out. If OCW is so dang good, then go to the guys who can prove it hands down as I have said repeatedly. Go to the 308 palma and Fclass F/TR guys like I suggested. When they start preaching it, I will listen and say you are on to something. Anyway, I still say this is fun and great discussions. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] BH [/QUOTE]
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