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<blockquote data-quote="4ked Horn" data-source="post: 98305" data-attributes="member: 11"><p>Hey green. I've been following this post reading every word ( I have also read most of the info on the OCW site you link to but not every word ) and I'm not about to get into the discussion that you and Bounty Hunter are having. I will admit that I am not quite sold on the OCW way to develop a load but that is not why I am writing.</p><p></p><p>I am growing more curious as to your experience at long range hunting. I am not very experienced compared to some here but I have a good understanding of the science and skills that are involved with this activity so this is not going to turn into a wizzin' match. You might be vastly more experienced than I am.</p><p></p><p>The reason I am asking for some background is this. You seem to have come in here with an idea that makes some sence. That degree of sence depends on alot of factors but it at least sounds reasonable enough to investigate. You did however come in rather abruptly and that got the attention of a few of us I'm sure. As I read your posts here and there I notice things that make me wonder if you learned a technique that makes tons of sence to you but because your actual field experience is limited you are having a hard time selling it to others. For example from your posts above: </p><p></p><p>"Most guys who peruse these pages aren't BR types. Accuracy goals and necessary equipment for long range practical shooting aren't compatible or comparable with the benchrest equipment and discipline."</p><p></p><p>See to me this is all wrong. The people that dwell here are exactly BR types. They are hunting BR types that will use every competition trick they can to quickly kill game at as long a distance as they feel comfortable with. And a blanket statement about the gear not being comparable or compatable with BR shooting seems to contradict the photos of heavy bbl flat stocked guns that our longest range hunters and some of the sports most experienced personalities are using. </p><p></p><p>Or this quote:</p><p></p><p>"Seating to magazine length is useful in the hunting field. If you cannot get a cartridge to perform well at mag length, you've got a single shot rifle (which, of course, most BR rigs are). This isn't practical for long range hunting, where a quick follow up shot may be needed."</p><p></p><p>As I have learned, in the sport of long range hunting a quick follow up shot is an "if" to be avoided. In fact one of the benefits of hunting at these distances leaves the game unaware of the source of the noise and bewilderment of what to do with the sudden pain that is now felt. The spotter then ranges the animal if it moved and the shooter adjusts and follows up with another shot if necessary. There is often nothing quick about it. What is often prefered is the extreme accuracy to put the first (and second) bullet where it needs to be. Not the ability to jack a round into the chamber in 1 second instead of 3.</p><p></p><p>It is thoughts like these that are raised by statements like yours. This is why I am curious how much actual long range hunting you have done and at what sort of ranges? A person with a new idea is usually received more warmly when the people listening and reading and thinking have some background. It is a common tactic for those who want to succeed to pay attention to those who have succeeded, not just those that have an idea on how to succeed.</p><p></p><p>I'm hoping you will give us a chance to learn a little bit about you and where you are coming from. Heck, what sent you looking for the OCW in the first place?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="4ked Horn, post: 98305, member: 11"] Hey green. I've been following this post reading every word ( I have also read most of the info on the OCW site you link to but not every word ) and I'm not about to get into the discussion that you and Bounty Hunter are having. I will admit that I am not quite sold on the OCW way to develop a load but that is not why I am writing. I am growing more curious as to your experience at long range hunting. I am not very experienced compared to some here but I have a good understanding of the science and skills that are involved with this activity so this is not going to turn into a wizzin' match. You might be vastly more experienced than I am. The reason I am asking for some background is this. You seem to have come in here with an idea that makes some sence. That degree of sence depends on alot of factors but it at least sounds reasonable enough to investigate. You did however come in rather abruptly and that got the attention of a few of us I'm sure. As I read your posts here and there I notice things that make me wonder if you learned a technique that makes tons of sence to you but because your actual field experience is limited you are having a hard time selling it to others. For example from your posts above: "Most guys who peruse these pages aren't BR types. Accuracy goals and necessary equipment for long range practical shooting aren't compatible or comparable with the benchrest equipment and discipline." See to me this is all wrong. The people that dwell here are exactly BR types. They are hunting BR types that will use every competition trick they can to quickly kill game at as long a distance as they feel comfortable with. And a blanket statement about the gear not being comparable or compatable with BR shooting seems to contradict the photos of heavy bbl flat stocked guns that our longest range hunters and some of the sports most experienced personalities are using. Or this quote: "Seating to magazine length is useful in the hunting field. If you cannot get a cartridge to perform well at mag length, you've got a single shot rifle (which, of course, most BR rigs are). This isn't practical for long range hunting, where a quick follow up shot may be needed." As I have learned, in the sport of long range hunting a quick follow up shot is an "if" to be avoided. In fact one of the benefits of hunting at these distances leaves the game unaware of the source of the noise and bewilderment of what to do with the sudden pain that is now felt. The spotter then ranges the animal if it moved and the shooter adjusts and follows up with another shot if necessary. There is often nothing quick about it. What is often prefered is the extreme accuracy to put the first (and second) bullet where it needs to be. Not the ability to jack a round into the chamber in 1 second instead of 3. It is thoughts like these that are raised by statements like yours. This is why I am curious how much actual long range hunting you have done and at what sort of ranges? A person with a new idea is usually received more warmly when the people listening and reading and thinking have some background. It is a common tactic for those who want to succeed to pay attention to those who have succeeded, not just those that have an idea on how to succeed. I'm hoping you will give us a chance to learn a little bit about you and where you are coming from. Heck, what sent you looking for the OCW in the first place? [/QUOTE]
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