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Wanting a new setup .300WM or like setup for Elk
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<blockquote data-quote="Coyote_Hunter" data-source="post: 1844963" data-attributes="member: 110773"><p>As do I. In my experience (37 elk hunts), there are a lot of reasons why animals are wounded rather than killed. Poor shooting is one. Bullet failure is another. Rarely is it the choice of cartridge used.</p><p></p><p>One of the primary reasons for bullet failure is failure to match bullet weight and construction to the velocities at which it is used. I've seen more elk wounded and lost after being shot with a .243 Win that all other cartridges put together. A thin-skinned cup-and-core bullet at high velocities is going to come apart much more easily than bullets which are heavier (and slower) or more stoutly constructed. Partitioned, bonded, mono-metal and hybrids tend to hold together better, providing deeper penetration. While I've killed elk with cup-and-core bullets, and while they work most of the time, my strong preference for bolt rifle velocities is bonded (Nosler AB/ABLRX and Swift Scirocco II), mono's (Barnes TTSX and LRX) and hybrids (North Fork SS and SS/HP). Unlike cup-and-core bullets, I've never seen one of these fail.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sounds like a bullet failure to me. I've killed more elk with a 7mm RM than all my others combined. I eventually got a .300WM and .338WM. The .300WM doesn't really do much my 7mm RM can't do. The .338 does make larger holes but I haven't seen animals with the .300 or .338 go down any faster than with the 7mm RM.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Good optics are necessary but there are diminishing returns. The first 20+ years I used my 7mm RM and a $39 Bushnell Sportview 3-9x exclusively. Never lost an animal or found the dusk and dawn performance inadequate. (Never liked the scope, though.) Now most of my rifles have Burris and Leupold scopes. I have Leupold binos and am not particularly happy with them and I had a Leupold laser rangefinder that was supposed to go to 1000 yards and had a hard time past 300.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Coyote_Hunter, post: 1844963, member: 110773"] As do I. In my experience (37 elk hunts), there are a lot of reasons why animals are wounded rather than killed. Poor shooting is one. Bullet failure is another. Rarely is it the choice of cartridge used. One of the primary reasons for bullet failure is failure to match bullet weight and construction to the velocities at which it is used. I’ve seen more elk wounded and lost after being shot with a .243 Win that all other cartridges put together. A thin-skinned cup-and-core bullet at high velocities is going to come apart much more easily than bullets which are heavier (and slower) or more stoutly constructed. Partitioned, bonded, mono-metal and hybrids tend to hold together better, providing deeper penetration. While I’ve killed elk with cup-and-core bullets, and while they work most of the time, my strong preference for bolt rifle velocities is bonded (Nosler AB/ABLRX and Swift Scirocco II), mono’s (Barnes TTSX and LRX) and hybrids (North Fork SS and SS/HP). Unlike cup-and-core bullets, I’ve never seen one of these fail. Sounds like a bullet failure to me. I’ve killed more elk with a 7mm RM than all my others combined. I eventually got a .300WM and .338WM. The .300WM doesn’t really do much my 7mm RM can’t do. The .338 does make larger holes but I haven’t seen animals with the .300 or .338 go down any faster than with the 7mm RM. Good optics are necessary but there are diminishing returns. The first 20+ years I used my 7mm RM and a $39 Bushnell Sportview 3-9x exclusively. Never lost an animal or found the dusk and dawn performance inadequate. (Never liked the scope, though.) Now most of my rifles have Burris and Leupold scopes. I have Leupold binos and am not particularly happy with them and I had a Leupold laser rangefinder that was supposed to go to 1000 yards and had a hard time past 300. [/QUOTE]
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