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<blockquote data-quote="Fiftydriver" data-source="post: 61716" data-attributes="member: 10"><p>mmmbucks,</p><p></p><p>As you know I have been working with Richard Graves of Wildcat Bullets on these Allen Magnums. He said he knew of an importer we may be able to use if Canadian customers wanted the Allen Magnums rifles.</p><p></p><p>If your serious about the ultimate 257 round, let me know and Richard and I will look into this importer/exporter more and see what we can do. If you want one we will get you one I assure you. Just have to jump through the hoops if you will.</p><p></p><p>An interesting little story, I was out testing my 257 and 270 Allen Mags today at 500 yards. Getting load data and and zeroing teh rifles as I plan on trying to hammer some yotes this weekend at extended range with these rifles.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, I got finished with the range session and I was cleaning up the target board when I noticed a rock I had used before as a plinking target for customers to try to hit at 500 yards. I use this rock because it is roughly the same size as a prairie dog when set on edge with its face 90 degrees to the shooter.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, this rock has been hit literally dozens of times with various varmint round. Mainly 22-250 but some 6mm-284s and even 25-06s.</p><p></p><p>The rock weights about 20 lbs and simply falls off the stand I sit it on when hit with anything so far and besides the lead smears, you would never tell it has even been hit.</p><p></p><p>Well, I wanted to see if the 257 and 270 AMs would hit this 3"x7" target at 500 yards with the first shot out of a cool barrel. I finished cleaning up the target board and then headed back to 500 yards to see if I could shoot these hot rods well enough to score a first shot kill at 500 yards on a target this size.</p><p></p><p>First up was the 257 Allen loaded with the 156 gr ULD Rebated Boattail loaded to a very mild 3200 fps. These were loaded in virgin brass and were basically fireforming loads.</p><p></p><p>On 14x the rock was a clear target. I leveled the bubble in the ScopeLevel and allows jsut slightly for the wind coming from right to left. When I say I allow for the wind, I aimed about 1.5" into it. The wind was sub 5 mph but noticable. </p><p></p><p>I held dead on and at the sear release, that 20 lb rock popped like it was nothign mroe then a 20 lb water Balloon!!! The Holland QD allowed me to watch the bullet land dead center on the rock and it totally destroyed it. Not just knocking the front part off, the total rock was pulverized into gravel. This reminded me more of the performance from the big 300 magnums then anything. </p><p></p><p>Again, I had hammered this rock with my personal 25-06 loaded with 100 gr Ballistic Tips to 3500 fps and all it did was knock the rock off the birm and leave a slight lead smear. I was impressed.</p><p></p><p>In no way am I saying this is a representation on how this round and bullet will perform on big game, but I will say that it had enough velocity, energy and bullet integrity to win the battle with that 20 lb rock. I have no worries that any ethical shot on a Northern Whitetail will be a piece of cake for this round bullet combo.</p><p></p><p>Don't know if the 270 would hit on first shot, need to find another rock I suppose /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif!!</p><p></p><p>Let me know.</p><p></p><p>Kirby Allen(50)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fiftydriver, post: 61716, member: 10"] mmmbucks, As you know I have been working with Richard Graves of Wildcat Bullets on these Allen Magnums. He said he knew of an importer we may be able to use if Canadian customers wanted the Allen Magnums rifles. If your serious about the ultimate 257 round, let me know and Richard and I will look into this importer/exporter more and see what we can do. If you want one we will get you one I assure you. Just have to jump through the hoops if you will. An interesting little story, I was out testing my 257 and 270 Allen Mags today at 500 yards. Getting load data and and zeroing teh rifles as I plan on trying to hammer some yotes this weekend at extended range with these rifles. Anyway, I got finished with the range session and I was cleaning up the target board when I noticed a rock I had used before as a plinking target for customers to try to hit at 500 yards. I use this rock because it is roughly the same size as a prairie dog when set on edge with its face 90 degrees to the shooter. Anyway, this rock has been hit literally dozens of times with various varmint round. Mainly 22-250 but some 6mm-284s and even 25-06s. The rock weights about 20 lbs and simply falls off the stand I sit it on when hit with anything so far and besides the lead smears, you would never tell it has even been hit. Well, I wanted to see if the 257 and 270 AMs would hit this 3"x7" target at 500 yards with the first shot out of a cool barrel. I finished cleaning up the target board and then headed back to 500 yards to see if I could shoot these hot rods well enough to score a first shot kill at 500 yards on a target this size. First up was the 257 Allen loaded with the 156 gr ULD Rebated Boattail loaded to a very mild 3200 fps. These were loaded in virgin brass and were basically fireforming loads. On 14x the rock was a clear target. I leveled the bubble in the ScopeLevel and allows jsut slightly for the wind coming from right to left. When I say I allow for the wind, I aimed about 1.5" into it. The wind was sub 5 mph but noticable. I held dead on and at the sear release, that 20 lb rock popped like it was nothign mroe then a 20 lb water Balloon!!! The Holland QD allowed me to watch the bullet land dead center on the rock and it totally destroyed it. Not just knocking the front part off, the total rock was pulverized into gravel. This reminded me more of the performance from the big 300 magnums then anything. Again, I had hammered this rock with my personal 25-06 loaded with 100 gr Ballistic Tips to 3500 fps and all it did was knock the rock off the birm and leave a slight lead smear. I was impressed. In no way am I saying this is a representation on how this round and bullet will perform on big game, but I will say that it had enough velocity, energy and bullet integrity to win the battle with that 20 lb rock. I have no worries that any ethical shot on a Northern Whitetail will be a piece of cake for this round bullet combo. Don't know if the 270 would hit on first shot, need to find another rock I suppose [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]!! Let me know. Kirby Allen(50) [/QUOTE]
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