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<blockquote data-quote="SidecarFlip" data-source="post: 902463" data-attributes="member: 39764"><p>I never argue with Gary because we know each other....lol</p><p> </p><p>Every 'domestic' automotive product has foreign content. Hell, even my 97 Powerstroker has a wiring harness 'Hencho Mexico'.</p><p> </p><p>So don't single out Ford for content, they all have it. It's a matter of labor cost versus profit Gary, you and I both know that.</p><p> </p><p>If profit versus build cost wasn't an issue, there would be no second and third tier suppliers. It would all be done 'in house'. It's not.</p><p> </p><p>The point of my post was really that I'm pretty well versed on whats under the sheetmetal in as much as I work for a major supplier, probably 60 million in material for Fiat-Chrysler alone. Ford is even more and GM is behind Ford and Chrysler.</p><p> </p><p>In order of revelance as far as before the build quality as it pertains to materials of the ferrous nature, this is the order...</p><p> </p><p>Honda</p><p>Nissan</p><p>Kubota (yes we supply Kubota with material for fabrication here in this country)</p><p>Ford</p><p>GM</p><p>Fiat-Chrysler</p><p> </p><p>From what I see, GM didn't learn anything other than it got a bunch of money from you and I. Nothing has changed as far as GM procurement. GM is still riding on their laurels.</p><p> </p><p>I already discussed Chrysler and Ford.</p><p> </p><p>Honda and Nissan are very particular. They actually come to the plants and inspect their materials prior to shipment, thats common.</p><p> </p><p>Ford, GM and C-F never come and inspect. Ford does demand pre-delivery Certification and QS documentation prior to physical delivery (except frame rails). GM and C-F don't.</p><p> </p><p>Kubota comes and inspects. FYI, all the wheels on Kubota tractors, that material came from our plants, 100%. All the lighter gage flat plate for implement fabrication comes from ue as well. Kubota imports the tractors minus any implement, wheels and tires. The tractors are outfitted in Georgia at their plant.</p><p> </p><p>All the frames that Ford uses under the F Series, custom chassis and vocational builds, all come from our plant in Michigan. We run Ford frame rails 24/7/365.</p><p> </p><p>I could tell more but most of it is proprietary information.</p><p> </p><p>I don't want to play the Ford versus GM versus Chrysler game. Buy what you want to, it's your money.</p><p> </p><p>I'm just giving a bit of insight as to what I see occuring and how that impacts overall quality, not wihat the manufacturer <u>tells</u> you but what <u>actually</u> is.</p><p> </p><p>Having said that, you will never find a Chrysler-Fiat product or a GM (post Obama) in my driveway.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SidecarFlip, post: 902463, member: 39764"] I never argue with Gary because we know each other....lol Every 'domestic' automotive product has foreign content. Hell, even my 97 Powerstroker has a wiring harness 'Hencho Mexico'. So don't single out Ford for content, they all have it. It's a matter of labor cost versus profit Gary, you and I both know that. If profit versus build cost wasn't an issue, there would be no second and third tier suppliers. It would all be done 'in house'. It's not. The point of my post was really that I'm pretty well versed on whats under the sheetmetal in as much as I work for a major supplier, probably 60 million in material for Fiat-Chrysler alone. Ford is even more and GM is behind Ford and Chrysler. In order of revelance as far as before the build quality as it pertains to materials of the ferrous nature, this is the order... Honda Nissan Kubota (yes we supply Kubota with material for fabrication here in this country) Ford GM Fiat-Chrysler From what I see, GM didn't learn anything other than it got a bunch of money from you and I. Nothing has changed as far as GM procurement. GM is still riding on their laurels. I already discussed Chrysler and Ford. Honda and Nissan are very particular. They actually come to the plants and inspect their materials prior to shipment, thats common. Ford, GM and C-F never come and inspect. Ford does demand pre-delivery Certification and QS documentation prior to physical delivery (except frame rails). GM and C-F don't. Kubota comes and inspects. FYI, all the wheels on Kubota tractors, that material came from our plants, 100%. All the lighter gage flat plate for implement fabrication comes from ue as well. Kubota imports the tractors minus any implement, wheels and tires. The tractors are outfitted in Georgia at their plant. All the frames that Ford uses under the F Series, custom chassis and vocational builds, all come from our plant in Michigan. We run Ford frame rails 24/7/365. I could tell more but most of it is proprietary information. I don't want to play the Ford versus GM versus Chrysler game. Buy what you want to, it's your money. I'm just giving a bit of insight as to what I see occuring and how that impacts overall quality, not wihat the manufacturer [U]tells[/U] you but what [U]actually[/U] is. Having said that, you will never find a Chrysler-Fiat product or a GM (post Obama) in my driveway. [/QUOTE]
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