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<blockquote data-quote="D.Camilleri" data-source="post: 1484720" data-attributes="member: 2567"><p>I have been sitting on the sidelines reading this thread. First, I am truly sorry for the loss the family of the guide has suffered. Second, this should be a wake up call to all of us that hunt in Grizzly country. When I was in law enforcement, I would play out possible outcomes of high risk calls like robbery in progress. Playing out the scenario in my head would help me to think of what might happen or go wrong with the end result of going home to my family at the end of my shift.</p><p></p><p>Back to bears, they are unpredictable, and the scenarios can be not what you would normally think. Run into a bear in the dark, they see well we don't, not good. Bear sneaks up on you while you are a hillside, where is your rifle? Are you wearing your handgun? Do you have a round in the chamber?</p><p></p><p>Last week I was deer hunting with a buddy, I found myself being sloppy with my personal protection. I was glassing with my rifle 10 feet away, it didn't have a round in the chamber, nor did my buddies. My 454 was in my tent, not on me. At night I slept with my 454 under my pillow, at one point I had it unholstered and on the side of my cot, then I played out a scenario and realized I could not reach the gun due to my restrictive sleeping bag. I moved the gun back under my pillow. </p><p></p><p>My elk hunting area has more Grizzlies than my deer hunting area, I try to be pro-active. I always wear my 454 in an Alaskan cross draw shoulder holster, not blocked by my back pack. I wear a walker game ear in my right ear to help me hear things my old ears might miss, like breaking branches. I hunt with a round up the pipe except when walking in steep hills where I could fall. I carry extra ammo for rifle and pistol, just in case. I typically don't carry bear spray, even though I get chastised by forest service personnel.</p><p></p><p>I know people that have been charged by Grizzly bears, that shot the bear and killed it. I also know a person that was ambushed by a sow with cubs while he was glassing a herd of elk. His rifle wasn't right next to him, and the bear attacked, he got to his gun and shot the bear once, point blank 338 win mag 200 grain ballistic tip. The shot lacked penetration for a clean kill, the bear attached again and the guys hunting partner picked up the gun and finished the bear off.</p><p></p><p>Last year I switched from 300 grain Berger OTM's in my 338 rum to 300 grain Accubonds for massive penetration. Still not sure which is better though, massive penetration or massive shrapnel. I still like a large bullet, you won't catch me with a 6.5 anything. </p><p></p><p>I do my best not to leave any kills in bear country over night. I try to get the animal quartered and packed out on my horse, preferably before dark. If I have to leave meat, I try to move the quarters 100 yards from the gut pile and leave the quarters in a place that I can see if they have been disturbed from a safe distance and I go in on high alert ready for a fight. I do not go back to my gut piles or carcass! I have forgot ivories a time or two, not worth the risk.</p><p></p><p>I have had several encounters with Grizzly bears and it isn't fun, it requires making hard decisions and sharpening your skills and hoping for the best. I don't believe in a false charge anymore than a man pointing a gun at me, both will be met with deadly force. I am not stupid enough to know I will always win, but if I loose a fight to a bear, I want to know that I did my best and I acted smart with the best chance for victory and survival.</p><p></p><p>In the end, there will be more bear attacks and hopefully people will have learned to use the tools we have available to come out on top and bear spray isn't a tool I will use. My last trip into Yellowstone was with my 454 in a holster under my shirt easily accessible.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="D.Camilleri, post: 1484720, member: 2567"] I have been sitting on the sidelines reading this thread. First, I am truly sorry for the loss the family of the guide has suffered. Second, this should be a wake up call to all of us that hunt in Grizzly country. When I was in law enforcement, I would play out possible outcomes of high risk calls like robbery in progress. Playing out the scenario in my head would help me to think of what might happen or go wrong with the end result of going home to my family at the end of my shift. Back to bears, they are unpredictable, and the scenarios can be not what you would normally think. Run into a bear in the dark, they see well we don't, not good. Bear sneaks up on you while you are a hillside, where is your rifle? Are you wearing your handgun? Do you have a round in the chamber? Last week I was deer hunting with a buddy, I found myself being sloppy with my personal protection. I was glassing with my rifle 10 feet away, it didn't have a round in the chamber, nor did my buddies. My 454 was in my tent, not on me. At night I slept with my 454 under my pillow, at one point I had it unholstered and on the side of my cot, then I played out a scenario and realized I could not reach the gun due to my restrictive sleeping bag. I moved the gun back under my pillow. My elk hunting area has more Grizzlies than my deer hunting area, I try to be pro-active. I always wear my 454 in an Alaskan cross draw shoulder holster, not blocked by my back pack. I wear a walker game ear in my right ear to help me hear things my old ears might miss, like breaking branches. I hunt with a round up the pipe except when walking in steep hills where I could fall. I carry extra ammo for rifle and pistol, just in case. I typically don't carry bear spray, even though I get chastised by forest service personnel. I know people that have been charged by Grizzly bears, that shot the bear and killed it. I also know a person that was ambushed by a sow with cubs while he was glassing a herd of elk. His rifle wasn't right next to him, and the bear attacked, he got to his gun and shot the bear once, point blank 338 win mag 200 grain ballistic tip. The shot lacked penetration for a clean kill, the bear attached again and the guys hunting partner picked up the gun and finished the bear off. Last year I switched from 300 grain Berger OTM's in my 338 rum to 300 grain Accubonds for massive penetration. Still not sure which is better though, massive penetration or massive shrapnel. I still like a large bullet, you won't catch me with a 6.5 anything. I do my best not to leave any kills in bear country over night. I try to get the animal quartered and packed out on my horse, preferably before dark. If I have to leave meat, I try to move the quarters 100 yards from the gut pile and leave the quarters in a place that I can see if they have been disturbed from a safe distance and I go in on high alert ready for a fight. I do not go back to my gut piles or carcass! I have forgot ivories a time or two, not worth the risk. I have had several encounters with Grizzly bears and it isn't fun, it requires making hard decisions and sharpening your skills and hoping for the best. I don't believe in a false charge anymore than a man pointing a gun at me, both will be met with deadly force. I am not stupid enough to know I will always win, but if I loose a fight to a bear, I want to know that I did my best and I acted smart with the best chance for victory and survival. In the end, there will be more bear attacks and hopefully people will have learned to use the tools we have available to come out on top and bear spray isn't a tool I will use. My last trip into Yellowstone was with my 454 in a holster under my shirt easily accessible. [/QUOTE]
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