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Traditional Press Seating Die vs. In Line Arbor Press
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<blockquote data-quote="RegionRat" data-source="post: 2959612" data-attributes="member: 57231"><p>If you are willing to go down the 1000 yard accuracy rabbit hole, you are going to end up with both traditional threaded dies for a standard press, as well as an inline seater and arbor press. If the economy is broken by the idea of having both, you are in the wrong discussion.</p><p></p><p>One way to look at this is to imagine that you take the little arbor and inline seater to the range with ammo that has been loaded long, and run your depth testing while adjusting in real time. </p><p></p><p>As for the study of all the little details that contribute to seating force variations, your question answers itself. Yes, you will test your own process to determine what if any effect there is at the target, but the main point is that this (force feedback) is only practical with an inline seater to begin with.</p><p></p><p>Later on, you can decide if you use a regular process, or one that is sensitive to seating forces. Many run both ways, but still use the inline just before shooting, but after they have developed their process.</p><p></p><p>Runout has little to do with this since both methods can produce low-runout ammo (or high runout ammo for that matter). </p><p></p><p>Runout used to be a challenge when brass was low quality and required sorting and turning. That is still a small risk, but the quality of runout in brass has dramatically improved in the last 25 years to the point where you almost don't really hear about it any more. If your brass wall thickness looks like a banana, it almost doesn't matter what you do you will end up with runout. Starting with good quality brass is a given.</p><p></p><p>If you preload vast quantities of precision ammo and it must travel or be stored for travels, then you are probably going to want the inline seater and a small arbor along for the trip. YMMV</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RegionRat, post: 2959612, member: 57231"] If you are willing to go down the 1000 yard accuracy rabbit hole, you are going to end up with both traditional threaded dies for a standard press, as well as an inline seater and arbor press. If the economy is broken by the idea of having both, you are in the wrong discussion. One way to look at this is to imagine that you take the little arbor and inline seater to the range with ammo that has been loaded long, and run your depth testing while adjusting in real time. As for the study of all the little details that contribute to seating force variations, your question answers itself. Yes, you will test your own process to determine what if any effect there is at the target, but the main point is that this (force feedback) is only practical with an inline seater to begin with. Later on, you can decide if you use a regular process, or one that is sensitive to seating forces. Many run both ways, but still use the inline just before shooting, but after they have developed their process. Runout has little to do with this since both methods can produce low-runout ammo (or high runout ammo for that matter). Runout used to be a challenge when brass was low quality and required sorting and turning. That is still a small risk, but the quality of runout in brass has dramatically improved in the last 25 years to the point where you almost don't really hear about it any more. If your brass wall thickness looks like a banana, it almost doesn't matter what you do you will end up with runout. Starting with good quality brass is a given. If you preload vast quantities of precision ammo and it must travel or be stored for travels, then you are probably going to want the inline seater and a small arbor along for the trip. YMMV [/QUOTE]
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