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<blockquote data-quote="MontanaRifleman" data-source="post: 298720" data-attributes="member: 11717"><p>I feel like I'm playing ping pong... gotta get the last word ya know <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p> </p><p>When I said the price of the rifle was the same, I meant you aren't going top pay a different price for a different cal. If you buy an XCR 300 WSM, it will cost the same as an XCR 308 Win. Same rifle, same quality, same price. There is a better selction of makes and models for the 308. And I agree, the Rem is the best as far as after market parts availability. Howa's and and Vangurds (Howa action) will fit Rem action bases and rings and also have a good after market part market. The top factory rifles on my list would be Sendero (used for ~ $900), Sub MOA Vanguard ~ $850 new (They come with a target with bullet holes in it), Tikka ~ $600, or older Sakos (model 75 or AV), or a Howa ~ $600. Some of these dont have the as many after market options, but there are options for them if you shop around. I've read one well known smith in here say he is very impressed with the Howa action's for being a factory action.</p><p> </p><p>Anyway, same rifle, same quality, same cost.</p><p> </p><p>I'm glad you tallied the factory ammo cost so Slafav can see it. Hand loading would save a heck of a lot more than $500- $600 for over 4000 rounds if he handloaded.</p><p> </p><p>Each round would cost....</p><p> </p><p>~ $.05 or less for brass (after 20 or more firings)</p><p>~ $.20-25 for powder</p><p>~ $.03-04 for primers</p><p>~ $.20- $1.00 + for bullets, Accubonds and Bergers would go for about $.40-.50 ea</p><p> </p><p>Average cost of a handloaded round would be about $0.80 - about one third the cost of premium factory ammo. After 1000 rounds it would pay for the basic reloading equipment, after about 2000 rounds it would pay for some more advanced reloading equipment and after 4000 rounds it would pay for some custom upgrades to a factory rifle. Now I have mentioned monetary savings, but the biggest benefit is tayloring precision ammunition for "your rifle" and to "your requirements", not to mention getting a real good education in the process. Factory ammo is simply not an option for consistant LR shooting. </p><p> </p><p>$285.00 in powder savings over 4000 rounds is peanuts ($3200.00 overall cost) when considering the performance difference.</p><p> </p><p>So after you tally ALL the costs, there really aint that much difference until you start getting to the really big stuff.</p><p> </p><p>It all comes down to priority....</p><p> </p><p>Performance</p><p>Recoil</p><p>Factory ammo availability & costs (should not even be a LR priority consideration)</p><p>Factory rifle offerings</p><p>Costs</p><p>Platform for customizing</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>You're right.... not at 500 yds. But when someone shoots a deer at 500 yds, he will probably want to shoot one at 600 and then 800 and then......</p><p> </p><p>Ok, this has been fun, but now I'm off to some flyfishing in YNP for a few days and it dont get much better than that <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p> </p><p>-MR</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MontanaRifleman, post: 298720, member: 11717"] I feel like I'm playing ping pong... gotta get the last word ya know :D When I said the price of the rifle was the same, I meant you aren't going top pay a different price for a different cal. If you buy an XCR 300 WSM, it will cost the same as an XCR 308 Win. Same rifle, same quality, same price. There is a better selction of makes and models for the 308. And I agree, the Rem is the best as far as after market parts availability. Howa's and and Vangurds (Howa action) will fit Rem action bases and rings and also have a good after market part market. The top factory rifles on my list would be Sendero (used for ~ $900), Sub MOA Vanguard ~ $850 new (They come with a target with bullet holes in it), Tikka ~ $600, or older Sakos (model 75 or AV), or a Howa ~ $600. Some of these dont have the as many after market options, but there are options for them if you shop around. I've read one well known smith in here say he is very impressed with the Howa action's for being a factory action. Anyway, same rifle, same quality, same cost. I'm glad you tallied the factory ammo cost so Slafav can see it. Hand loading would save a heck of a lot more than $500- $600 for over 4000 rounds if he handloaded. Each round would cost.... ~ $.05 or less for brass (after 20 or more firings) ~ $.20-25 for powder ~ $.03-04 for primers ~ $.20- $1.00 + for bullets, Accubonds and Bergers would go for about $.40-.50 ea Average cost of a handloaded round would be about $0.80 - about one third the cost of premium factory ammo. After 1000 rounds it would pay for the basic reloading equipment, after about 2000 rounds it would pay for some more advanced reloading equipment and after 4000 rounds it would pay for some custom upgrades to a factory rifle. Now I have mentioned monetary savings, but the biggest benefit is tayloring precision ammunition for "your rifle" and to "your requirements", not to mention getting a real good education in the process. Factory ammo is simply not an option for consistant LR shooting. $285.00 in powder savings over 4000 rounds is peanuts ($3200.00 overall cost) when considering the performance difference. So after you tally ALL the costs, there really aint that much difference until you start getting to the really big stuff. It all comes down to priority.... Performance Recoil Factory ammo availability & costs (should not even be a LR priority consideration) Factory rifle offerings Costs Platform for customizing You're right.... not at 500 yds. But when someone shoots a deer at 500 yds, he will probably want to shoot one at 600 and then 800 and then...... Ok, this has been fun, but now I'm off to some flyfishing in YNP for a few days and it dont get much better than that :D -MR [/QUOTE]
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