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<blockquote data-quote="MontanaRifleman" data-source="post: 293770" data-attributes="member: 11717"><p>Britz,</p><p> </p><p>You make some good points, but... I dont think it's necessary to shoot thousands of rounds to become proficient for LRH. The marksmanship is basic marksmanship, whether 100 yds or a 1000 yds. Now there are some complications when you reach out there, like wind doping, making sure sure your rifle/sightline is plumb, etc. But a guy who can shoot a .25 MOA group with a good rifle and load @ 100 yds should be able to shoot an MOA group @ 1000 yds with minimal practice.</p><p> </p><p>So having said that, most rounds down the tube will usually be fired in load development and trajectory/BC validation. Depending on how many differnt loads one tries, this should be able to be accomplished in a few hundred rounds. If one gets his load development done in 300 rounds and shoots another 100 rounds a year, that barrel should last maybe 10 years at wich time he is ready for a sweet hand lapped custom barrel. And if you want longer barrel life, go to the 300 WSM which will rival the 308.</p><p> </p><p>A 308 is a great cal, but the 270 WSM has a lot better ballistics including 20% less wind drift. I guess we all have our preferences.</p><p> </p><p>As for cost of shooting, 308 factory ammo will be a little cheaper, but the 270 WSM has a good selection of relatively cheap stuff and good stuff. And if you are talking about shooting thousands of rounds of ammo (hope you are reading this Slafav). You could buy the handloading eqipment and components after you have shot 2000-3000 factory rounds for same. Also, I think we both know that factory loads will differ from lot to lot. So every time you go to Wal Mart and get your ammo, you are back to shooting a few sighters to see where you are. And if you run out ammo while you are hunting, that is PPP and you may not get the load at the mom and pop country store that you got back at Wal Mart and even if you did, it would be a different lot. Besides, in all the stores around here, there is almost as good a selection of 270 WSM as there is 308.</p><p> </p><p>My philosophy is... if you're going to go LR, then go... Get the rifle that is capable and do it. If you want a plinker then get that later.</p><p> </p><p>Being ex-military, I have to agree with you that there is always a reason that the military does something, and from my experience on being in the decision making process a few times, it aint always a good reason <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite11" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll Eyes :rolleyes:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":rolleyes:" />, not to say that the 308 wasn't a good cal, but neither did they have the WSM cartridges at the time.</p><p> </p><p>Best,</p><p> </p><p>-MR</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MontanaRifleman, post: 293770, member: 11717"] Britz, You make some good points, but... I dont think it's necessary to shoot thousands of rounds to become proficient for LRH. The marksmanship is basic marksmanship, whether 100 yds or a 1000 yds. Now there are some complications when you reach out there, like wind doping, making sure sure your rifle/sightline is plumb, etc. But a guy who can shoot a .25 MOA group with a good rifle and load @ 100 yds should be able to shoot an MOA group @ 1000 yds with minimal practice. So having said that, most rounds down the tube will usually be fired in load development and trajectory/BC validation. Depending on how many differnt loads one tries, this should be able to be accomplished in a few hundred rounds. If one gets his load development done in 300 rounds and shoots another 100 rounds a year, that barrel should last maybe 10 years at wich time he is ready for a sweet hand lapped custom barrel. And if you want longer barrel life, go to the 300 WSM which will rival the 308. A 308 is a great cal, but the 270 WSM has a lot better ballistics including 20% less wind drift. I guess we all have our preferences. As for cost of shooting, 308 factory ammo will be a little cheaper, but the 270 WSM has a good selection of relatively cheap stuff and good stuff. And if you are talking about shooting thousands of rounds of ammo (hope you are reading this Slafav). You could buy the handloading eqipment and components after you have shot 2000-3000 factory rounds for same. Also, I think we both know that factory loads will differ from lot to lot. So every time you go to Wal Mart and get your ammo, you are back to shooting a few sighters to see where you are. And if you run out ammo while you are hunting, that is PPP and you may not get the load at the mom and pop country store that you got back at Wal Mart and even if you did, it would be a different lot. Besides, in all the stores around here, there is almost as good a selection of 270 WSM as there is 308. My philosophy is... if you're going to go LR, then go... Get the rifle that is capable and do it. If you want a plinker then get that later. Being ex-military, I have to agree with you that there is always a reason that the military does something, and from my experience on being in the decision making process a few times, it aint always a good reason :rolleyes:, not to say that the 308 wasn't a good cal, but neither did they have the WSM cartridges at the time. Best, -MR [/QUOTE]
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