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Reloading
To neck size or full length size???
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<blockquote data-quote="BountyHunter" data-source="post: 957239" data-attributes="member: 12"><p>Most are using custom dies or dies honed to fit the chamber very closely which are normally spec'd minimum SAAMI to start with. Most top end BR gunsmiths will have on hand the matching sizing die reamer and make custom dies as part of the package usually in bushing mode. </p><p> </p><p>In the magnums it is pretty much a necessity to FL size the body for uniformity every time if uniformity and reliability are a concern. Plus no expander ball, plus annealing etc etc. Not just one thing.</p><p> </p><p>There are special variation such as FL size first, expand the neck and then NS only that helps control tension variations tremendously. Plus most are annealing every time also.</p><p> </p><p>JLC Precision will take a Redding body die and hone it to fit your chamber for $80,</p><p>while converting it to a FL bushing die, so if you think the sun sets on having a small unsized portion of the neck is critical, it is a simple adjustment. BTW, no expander ball which is one of the root problems with neck runout and pulling the neck brass out causing the trimming issue. Again a simple fix on any die also.</p><p> </p><p>Neil Jones custom dies use shoulder/neck bushings and no expander ball, that do not allow the unsized neck and are my choice for custom dies to fit a wildcat with no matching size die available.</p><p> </p><p>It is not an either or only as pointed out and I use both with my preference to FL bushing dies as the first step. It is just always saying NS only without detail explaining all the nuances is not telling the whole deal, especially if someone is new enough to have to ask the question on a LR hunting forum where reliability should be an issue. IF you have to ask, the FL size to avoid making mistakes until you learn the nuances is the smart choice IMO. Like I said not once has any of the NS only advocates told anyone on how to ensure chamber of the rounds safely before going to the field or match. Never seen a firing pin removal tool even discussed which is a necessity. </p><p> </p><p>That is why it is not as simple as "always NS and bump the shoulder". Plus even the JLC honed body dies have a minimum of .001 on the body which nobody mentions, so there is absolutely no such thing as ONLY bumping the shoulder as implied. As of a year ago, he never honed a die less than that, I checked with him to verify.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BountyHunter, post: 957239, member: 12"] Most are using custom dies or dies honed to fit the chamber very closely which are normally spec'd minimum SAAMI to start with. Most top end BR gunsmiths will have on hand the matching sizing die reamer and make custom dies as part of the package usually in bushing mode. In the magnums it is pretty much a necessity to FL size the body for uniformity every time if uniformity and reliability are a concern. Plus no expander ball, plus annealing etc etc. Not just one thing. There are special variation such as FL size first, expand the neck and then NS only that helps control tension variations tremendously. Plus most are annealing every time also. JLC Precision will take a Redding body die and hone it to fit your chamber for $80, while converting it to a FL bushing die, so if you think the sun sets on having a small unsized portion of the neck is critical, it is a simple adjustment. BTW, no expander ball which is one of the root problems with neck runout and pulling the neck brass out causing the trimming issue. Again a simple fix on any die also. Neil Jones custom dies use shoulder/neck bushings and no expander ball, that do not allow the unsized neck and are my choice for custom dies to fit a wildcat with no matching size die available. It is not an either or only as pointed out and I use both with my preference to FL bushing dies as the first step. It is just always saying NS only without detail explaining all the nuances is not telling the whole deal, especially if someone is new enough to have to ask the question on a LR hunting forum where reliability should be an issue. IF you have to ask, the FL size to avoid making mistakes until you learn the nuances is the smart choice IMO. Like I said not once has any of the NS only advocates told anyone on how to ensure chamber of the rounds safely before going to the field or match. Never seen a firing pin removal tool even discussed which is a necessity. That is why it is not as simple as "always NS and bump the shoulder". Plus even the JLC honed body dies have a minimum of .001 on the body which nobody mentions, so there is absolutely no such thing as ONLY bumping the shoulder as implied. As of a year ago, he never honed a die less than that, I checked with him to verify. [/QUOTE]
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