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To neck size or full length size???
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<blockquote data-quote="longrangehunterII" data-source="post: 951888" data-attributes="member: 61185"><p>I myself would agree on all of these statements.</p><p></p><p>There are times I don't like my new fire formed brass pushed back and the body squeezed down. Only because I'd like to do the least amount of brass movement as possible during the process, and Neck Sizing does just that. They will last longer only because of less working of the brass, but occasional F/L sizing will be required sooner or later unless you're running at or near the upper limits of pressure and the primer pockets will become too lose, maybe even before they'll need F/L sizing, just depends on the gun, cartridge and the hand loader doing the work.</p><p></p><p>I have had some guns that will shoot better when F/L sized, so I give them what it likes and don't fight it.</p><p></p><p>And yes, Mike's statement is very true about a F/L die stretching the brass and causing the shoulder to actually grow longer before being setup properly or worse, cut so small that they overwork the brass which is far worse in my own opinion. Which is why a head space gauge is so important.</p><p></p><p>Just to illustrate this I took a once fired 260 Rem Lapua case and ran it through a Redding Bushing F/L die using their Competition Shell Holders and a standard RCBS one.</p><p></p><p>Starting with a once fired case that measured 1.6250" using a Stoney Point Head 'N Shoulders Gauge.</p><p></p><p>I started with a +.010" shell holder, the case grew to 1.6270". Mind you this would still chamber easily into my rifle, but would not fall out freely.</p><p>+.008" 1.6250"</p><p>+.006" 1.6230"</p><p>+.004" 1.6210"</p><p>A factory new unfired Lapua case measured 1.6200"</p><p>+.002" 1.6190"</p><p></p><p>And lastly using a standard RCBS shell holder and the ram cam rolled over slightly the case had shrunk to 1.6150" This last step was actually very difficult to press up into the die it was moving the brass that much. I wondered if it was going to break my table it was so hard. I was using Imperial sizing wax throughout the process.</p><p></p><p>So as you can see without some knowledge of reloading a person new to reloading could actually do worse with a F/L die then a neck die as far as causing excessive headspace issues. Although with that much pressure on the press I'd think someone might question what's wrong and read the pamphlet with the die on how to set it up correctly?</p><p></p><p>With that said I think the real answer lies behind or within whom is doing the work? It's not the product(s) as much as the person whom is operating the machine. Like reloading and a race car driver, it doesn't matter if you have the fastest or the most powerful car on the track to win, you have to first finish! </p><p></p><p>Is one better then the other..... that would depend on whom you ask?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="longrangehunterII, post: 951888, member: 61185"] I myself would agree on all of these statements. There are times I don't like my new fire formed brass pushed back and the body squeezed down. Only because I'd like to do the least amount of brass movement as possible during the process, and Neck Sizing does just that. They will last longer only because of less working of the brass, but occasional F/L sizing will be required sooner or later unless you're running at or near the upper limits of pressure and the primer pockets will become too lose, maybe even before they'll need F/L sizing, just depends on the gun, cartridge and the hand loader doing the work. I have had some guns that will shoot better when F/L sized, so I give them what it likes and don't fight it. And yes, Mike's statement is very true about a F/L die stretching the brass and causing the shoulder to actually grow longer before being setup properly or worse, cut so small that they overwork the brass which is far worse in my own opinion. Which is why a head space gauge is so important. Just to illustrate this I took a once fired 260 Rem Lapua case and ran it through a Redding Bushing F/L die using their Competition Shell Holders and a standard RCBS one. Starting with a once fired case that measured 1.6250" using a Stoney Point Head 'N Shoulders Gauge. I started with a +.010" shell holder, the case grew to 1.6270". Mind you this would still chamber easily into my rifle, but would not fall out freely. +.008" 1.6250" +.006" 1.6230" +.004" 1.6210" A factory new unfired Lapua case measured 1.6200" +.002" 1.6190" And lastly using a standard RCBS shell holder and the ram cam rolled over slightly the case had shrunk to 1.6150" This last step was actually very difficult to press up into the die it was moving the brass that much. I wondered if it was going to break my table it was so hard. I was using Imperial sizing wax throughout the process. So as you can see without some knowledge of reloading a person new to reloading could actually do worse with a F/L die then a neck die as far as causing excessive headspace issues. Although with that much pressure on the press I'd think someone might question what's wrong and read the pamphlet with the die on how to set it up correctly? With that said I think the real answer lies behind or within whom is doing the work? It's not the product(s) as much as the person whom is operating the machine. Like reloading and a race car driver, it doesn't matter if you have the fastest or the most powerful car on the track to win, you have to first finish! Is one better then the other..... that would depend on whom you ask? [/QUOTE]
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